I don't get what you mean by that. I'm not trying to be evasive or to meaninglessly substitute terms. I'm telling you that there are many people who are deeply engaged in this conflict who understand it in entirely secular terms, and who have as much disdain for the religious zealotry of their compatriots as you do. To suggest, therefore, that this whole conflict is simply about religion is just plainly false.
you couldn't swing if you were hangin' from a palm tree in a hurricane
i think if the last 5 heads of shin bet say the same thing ... and that same thing isn't the standard israeli propaganda ... people should listen ...
like i've always contended - the only path to peace is with the will of the israeli people ... only when israeli denounces their terrorist wing and move to a national gov't that does not push the zionist agenda will there be peace ... hamas or any other military group in palestine could cease to exist in this instant and we would be no closer to peace ...
only when israeli denounces their terrorist wing and move to a national gov't that does not push the zionist agenda will there be peace
How can a people come together to have their Nation-State Government NOT push a Nation-State agenda?
I think Yosi has made this point before as well.
Zionism IS by definition a movement to establish, maintain and protect a State of Israel.
Why would you expect, or even think it possible, for a pre-existing State of Israel to not maintain a "Zionist" government?
If I was to smile and I held out my hand
If I opened it now would you not understand?
FWIW, that "innocent little girl" appears to have one or two improvised homemade explosive devices sitting in front of her.
???
and most here should know that I'm not too overly fond of the Israeli approach to the conflict. to say the least.
They use propane tanks in the Middle East for there stove tops. They dnt have gas pipes running to there houses. And not for nothing, but a 12year old girl walking with a propane tank isn't the brightest ideas for an improvised bomb. I do see your point tho how one can assume its a bomb.
How can a people come together to have their Nation-State Government NOT push a Nation-State agenda?
I think Yosi has made this point before as well.
Zionism IS by definition a movement to establish, maintain and protect a State of Israel.
Why would you expect, or even think it possible, for a pre-existing State of Israel to not maintain a "Zionist" government?
the current nation-state gov't is not interested in peace ... the definition of zionism is up for debate as yes - in its simplest form, it means what you've said but what defines the state of israel geographically? ... the difference is that zionists aim to take all the land they can - hence the ever continuing expansionist agenda ...
How can a people come together to have their Nation-State Government NOT push a Nation-State agenda?
I think Yosi has made this point before as well.
Zionism IS by definition a movement to establish, maintain and protect a State of Israel.
Why would you expect, or even think it possible, for a pre-existing State of Israel to not maintain a "Zionist" government?
the current nation-state gov't is not interested in peace ... the definition of zionism is up for debate as yes - in its simplest form, it means what you've said but what defines the state of israel geographically? ... the difference is that zionists aim to take all the land they can - hence the ever continuing expansionist agenda ...
they believe that that land is there for the taking, otherwise why would they expand settlements? what would give them the authority to do so?
they should be like the rest of us and respect and honor established borders by not expanding on to other people's land. unfortunately nobody can agree on where the borders are. the international community, except for the us, has tried to establish them at the pre-1967 war borders, but the us keeps allowing israel to expand beyond those. the us is allowing the conflict to continue by doing nothing to condemn the israeli government's policies.
There is nothing noble in being superior to your fellow man; true nobility is being superior to your former self.- Hemingway
Correct, everybody but eddie I believe. Back in 95?
I know it's old but....
Graham Reid of The New Zealand Herald had a rather thoughtful and political discussion with Pearl Jam frontman Eddie Vedder, who blasted the current administration for their financial ties to big oil and uneven foreign policy. Asked whether he thinks about being considered “the enemy”, Vedder said, “Oh yeah, and I have to be careful about that. I have pretty strong feelings about this stuff and I see Cheney on television in Washington this week not answering the question, ‘What right do we have to go into Iraq?’ It’s just based on fear and do they have the weapons we think they might have? What right do we have to go into another country and change regimes? What right?” Reid responded, “Indeed, why not go into Zimbabwe?” Vedder agreed, “Exactly. And why do we give $3 billion to Israel and $300 million to Africa?” Nzherald.co.nz has since removed the article.
i am not sure who to believe, your link or that facebook page.
Hey :wave: thanks! I left for quite a while as this place gets too intense too often and ends up taking up too much time.
I always thought the link about the shows was fishy and it didn't make sense why Pearl Jam would announce such shows without any connecting shows in Europe etc. so I'd probably believe your link before mine! Thanks for the post.
I findit pretty low that the legitamacy of this pic is questioned. Human Right Watch, Amnesty, UNRWA: the United Nations Relief and Work Agency, etc. have all reported fucking worse happening to Palestinian children. It is in no doubt that those fuckers are not Palestinian, that those zionist assholes are either in the Occupied Territories or the apartheid state of israel as seen by the classroom walls...so what is the very least that can be staged??? That they are telling an israeli girl to act like a Palestinian, or that girl is in fact a Palestinian. Both fucking situations are not beyond reach of these animals.
The israeli occupation forces are the biggest scumbag p.o.s. army on earth.
I findit pretty low that the legitamacy of this pic is questioned. Human Right Watch, Amnesty, UNRWA: the United Nations Relief and Work Agency, etc. have all reported fucking worse happening to Palestinian children. It is in no doubt that those fuckers are not Palestinian, that those zionist assholes are either in the Occupied Territories or the apartheid state of israel as seen by the classroom walls...so what is the very least that can be staged??? That they are telling an israeli girl to act like a Palestinian, or that girl is in fact a Palestinian. Both fucking situations are not beyond reach of these animals.
The israeli occupation forces are the biggest scumbag p.o.s. army on earth.
Imagine if that boy was an AMERICAN? What would the anger and fury be at Israel? We'd want all those fuckers killed! But, he's just an Arab, low life citizen that means nothing. Disgusting, if you cowardly IDF soldiers are to afraid to fight, put your fucken guns down and tell your shitty leaders "ENOUGH IS ENOUGH!!!" :evil:
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http://www.imdb.com/title/tt2309788/
i think if the last 5 heads of shin bet say the same thing ... and that same thing isn't the standard israeli propaganda ... people should listen ...
like i've always contended - the only path to peace is with the will of the israeli people ... only when israeli denounces their terrorist wing and move to a national gov't that does not push the zionist agenda will there be peace ... hamas or any other military group in palestine could cease to exist in this instant and we would be no closer to peace ...
???
and most here should know that I'm not too overly fond of the Israeli approach to the conflict. to say the least.
If I opened it now would you not understand?
How can a people come together to have their Nation-State Government NOT push a Nation-State agenda?
I think Yosi has made this point before as well.
Zionism IS by definition a movement to establish, maintain and protect a State of Israel.
Why would you expect, or even think it possible, for a pre-existing State of Israel to not maintain a "Zionist" government?
If I opened it now would you not understand?
to your "side" of the "argument" (really both opposing sides of a horrible racial conflict) ...
http://palestinianprisoners.blogspot.co ... diers.html
If I opened it now would you not understand?
They use propane tanks in the Middle East for there stove tops. They dnt have gas pipes running to there houses. And not for nothing, but a 12year old girl walking with a propane tank isn't the brightest ideas for an improvised bomb. I do see your point tho how one can assume its a bomb.
the current nation-state gov't is not interested in peace ... the definition of zionism is up for debate as yes - in its simplest form, it means what you've said but what defines the state of israel geographically? ... the difference is that zionists aim to take all the land they can - hence the ever continuing expansionist agenda ...
they should be like the rest of us and respect and honor established borders by not expanding on to other people's land. unfortunately nobody can agree on where the borders are. the international community, except for the us, has tried to establish them at the pre-1967 war borders, but the us keeps allowing israel to expand beyond those. the us is allowing the conflict to continue by doing nothing to condemn the israeli government's policies.
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
me too
The WHOLE ENTIRE WORLD is sick of this shit EXCEPT the fucken HEARTLESS leaders of Israel and Israel II (America)
there were more explosions in gaza last night as israeli f-16s violated the cease fire again...
not a fucking peep out of the american media.
why do i have to look at news websites from other countries to find out what is going on in the middle east??
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
Gimme, unfortunately you ALREADY know the answer to that question....
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
By all means, vent buddy! :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup:
http://jewssansfrontieres.blogspot.com. ... t-not.html
Sorry if its been discussed before but I've been away for a very long time.
seems like it has been years since i have seen you around.
according to this facebook page, that pearl jam playing israel is a fabrication. it is about halfway down that page on the left.
https://www.facebook.com/dontplayapartheidisrael
i am not sure who to believe, your link or that facebook page.
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
Part of PJ has played in Israel already, no? With Neil young I think, or am I just mistaken?
I know Israel has PJ fans, probably quite a few.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a87J_7bRC3s
http://www.touristisrael.com/peal-jam-in-israel/9412/
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MF8lefHXMhI
Correct, everybody but eddie I believe. Back in 95?
I know it's old but....
Graham Reid of The New Zealand Herald had a rather thoughtful and political discussion with Pearl Jam frontman Eddie Vedder, who blasted the current administration for their financial ties to big oil and uneven foreign policy. Asked whether he thinks about being considered “the enemy”, Vedder said, “Oh yeah, and I have to be careful about that. I have pretty strong feelings about this stuff and I see Cheney on television in Washington this week not answering the question, ‘What right do we have to go into Iraq?’ It’s just based on fear and do they have the weapons we think they might have? What right do we have to go into another country and change regimes? What right?” Reid responded, “Indeed, why not go into Zimbabwe?” Vedder agreed, “Exactly. And why do we give $3 billion to Israel and $300 million to Africa?” Nzherald.co.nz has since removed the article.
Hey :wave: thanks! I left for quite a while as this place gets too intense too often and ends up taking up too much time.
I always thought the link about the shows was fishy and it didn't make sense why Pearl Jam would announce such shows without any connecting shows in Europe etc. so I'd probably believe your link before mine! Thanks for the post.
The israeli occupation forces are the biggest scumbag p.o.s. army on earth.
A Palestinian boy being used as a HUMAN SHIELD:
http://electronicintifada.net/blogs/ali ... -they-fire
Imagine if that boy was an AMERICAN? What would the anger and fury be at Israel? We'd want all those fuckers killed! But, he's just an Arab, low life citizen that means nothing. Disgusting, if you cowardly IDF soldiers are to afraid to fight, put your fucken guns down and tell your shitty leaders "ENOUGH IS ENOUGH!!!" :evil:
I happen to agree with you but you know as well as I do that if someone is an anti-semite they won't understand.
They probably also use "gay" as a pejorative