VivaPalestina" said:IOF, Israeli Occupation Forces or given this picture...ZSP, Zionist Supremacist Pigs
gimmesometruth27" said:this happens every day.
JimmyV" said:[quote="gimmesometruth27"]this happens every day.
JimmyV" said:Horrifying. That is a little girl!!!I hope posing her this was the way the worst thing these fucking animals did that day.
gimmesometruth27" said:this happens every day. this is what occupation looks like.the americans do this to afghans and iraqis all the time.
gimmesometruth27" said:[quote="JimmyV"][quote="gimmesometruth27"]this happens every day.
JimmyV" said:As an Obama supporter I am disappointed by the unbreakable bond statement. Both the sentiment and the tone. I would have hoped for better Mr. President.
yosi" said:Has this picture been verified by anyone that it is what it appears to be? No matter what the picture is terrible for the message it conveys. I'm curious, though, because there's clearly hebrew writing on the wall behind the soldiers, and the setting looks to me like some sort of classroom, and the soldiers aren't in combat gear, all of which suggests to me that this might be a bunch of kids playing around in an inappropriate way rather than the abuse of a prisoner.
yosi" said:Not fake, just an uncaptioned image, which could be very easily mistaken to depict something other than what it actually shows. Or not. I'm just asking if anyone has any more info about the picture?
yosi" said:Like I said, the picture is f-ed up no matter which way you cut it. I'm not looking to defend the pic, I'm just asking whether the assumptions that everyone is jumping too are actually justified. In that regard I'd point out that you yourself are assuming that what's depicted in the photo is religiously motivated. What about the photo makes you think that religion has anything to do with it? People are jumping to conclusions; perhaps those conclusions are warranted. Perhaps they are not. This conflict has spawned many images that appeared to show one thing and were later acknowledged to have been misinterpreted/mischaracterized. I remember one famous case in particular where an AP photo showed a young man with a bloodied head and close behind him an angry-looking Israeli policeman yelling and raising a baton. The caption read "An Israeli Policeman and a Palestinian on the Temple Mount," and was taken to depict the policeman beating the Palestinian young man. In turned out that the young man was not Palestinian, but was rather an American Jewish student, the picture wasn't taken on the Temple Mount, and the policeman wasn't attacking the student, but was rather trying to protect him from a Palestinian mob that had dragged him from the back of a cab and beaten and stabbed him.All of which is to say that pictures can be deceiving.
Byrnzie" said:Shame that there aren't more people like this in Israel:http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/ap ... tor-eighthIsrael set to jail teenage conscientious objector for eighth timeNathan Blanc has spent more than 100 days in prison over the past 19 weeks due to his refusal to enlist in Israeli armyHarriet Sherwood, JerusalemThe Guardian, Sunday 31 March 2013 It is a routine Nathan Blanc knows well. At 9am on Tuesday morning, the 19-year-old will report, as instructed in his draft papers, to a military base near Tel Aviv. There he will state his objection to serving in the Israeli army. Following his refusal to enlist, Blanc expects to be arrested and sentenced to between 10 and 20 days in jail. He will then be taken to Military Prison Number 6 to serve his time. And then, following his release, the cycle will begin over again.The reason why Blanc knows what to expect is that this will be the eighth time the teenage conscientious objector has been jailed in the past 19 weeks. Since the date of his original call-up for military service, Blanc has spent more than 100 days in prison; on one occasion, he was released on a Tuesday and re-imprisoned two days later on a Thursday.Blanc began to consider the possibility of refusing the draft several years ago. "It was a very hard decision, it took me a long time to get to it," he says.The turning point was Operation Cast Lead, the war in Gaza that began at the end of 2008 and ended three weeks later with a Palestinian death toll of around 1,400. In a statement issued when he was first imprisoned, Blanc said: "The wave of aggressive militarism that swept the country then, the expressions of mutual hatred, and the vacuous talk about stamping out terror and creating a deterrent effect were the primary trigger for my refusal."The government, he said, was "not interested in finding a solution to the existing situation, but rather in preserving it … We will talk of deterrence, we will kill some terrorist, we will lose some civilians on both sides, and we will prepare the ground for a new generation full of hatred on both sides … We, as citizens and human beings, have a moral duty to refuse to participate in this cynical game."In an interview with the Guardian, he says: "The war going on in this country for more than 60 years could have ended a long time ago. But both sides are giving into extremists and fundamentalists. The occupation was supposed to be temporary, but now no one speaks of it ending."The Israeli state, he adds, keeps people "under our control" without democratic rights. Palestinians are subject to "collective punishment" for the actions of a few....Blanc rejected the option taken by some objectors of claiming a medical condition that would exempt him from military service. "I didn't want to lie. This is a point of principle."...He brushes aside a suggestion that his current stance could harm his future prospects. "I'm proud of what I'm doing. I may have caused some damage to my future, but it's minor compared to the principle at stake."