Aside from the pathological narcissism and complete void of empathy on the part of the assailants, wtf is wrong with all of the people who witnessed this and did nothing to intervene? About 7 minutes in you hear 2 guys in the background begin saying that it's rape and it's wrong and asking what if it happened to your daughter or sister, but no one did anything to stop the assault. And this dickhead on the video isn't going to be held accountable for anything. A similar thing happened after the Richmond, CA rape when 20 bystanders stood around and watched and texted pictures of a savage gang rape, but none of them were charged because there were no bystander laws on the books. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2009_Richm ... _gang_rape
There needs to be an entire culture shift. As long as people pretend like this only happens because the victims drank too much, etc, this will continue to happen. Getting drunk doesn't cause someone to get gang raped. People feeling entitled to do what they want to someone else's body and having others who stand by and support that belief causes it to happen.
legally im not sure the kid broke any laws or is required to act (teachers, healthcare workers etc are)...morally indefensible, in-despicable...reality his life is ruined.
im not so sure that osu can kick him out of school either, if they do they will be defending a lawsuit.
imagine what his friends and family think of him, imagine what his girlfriend thinks, future girlfriends, wife, daughter...
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There needs to be an entire culture shift. As long as people pretend like this only happens because the victims drank too much, etc, this will continue to happen. Getting drunk doesn't cause someone to get gang raped. People feeling entitled to do what they want to someone else's body and having others who stand by and support that belief causes it to happen.
Agree 100%. NeilJam posted that people at OSU, where the asswipe that made this video is a student, are making issues for him. If I went there and saw this kid I would have a tough time not becoming a criminal myself and beating him bloody for the content of that video and his attitude. Damn, this is disturbing.
And this dickhead on the video isn't going to be held accountable for anything.
Actually, he probably will be accountable in that his name is out there on the internet saying these despicable things and looking like a non-human.
Any employer who does a search on him will come across this video. I think his life is not going to be too easy after this.
that brings some relief and hopefully based on the link NeilJam posted he will lose his scholarship and be expelled from school. I'd like to see more accountability within the criminal justice system for this kind of behavior though.
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Aside from the pathological narcissism and complete void of empathy on the part of the assailants, wtf is wrong with all of the people who witnessed this and did nothing to intervene? About 7 minutes in you hear 2 guys in the background begin saying that it's rape and it's wrong and asking what if it happened to your daughter or sister, but no one did anything to stop the assault. And this dickhead on the video isn't going to be held accountable for anything. A similar thing happened after the Richmond, CA rape when 20 bystanders stood around and watched and texted pictures of a savage gang rape, but none of them were charged because there were no bystander laws on the books. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2009_Richm ... _gang_rape
There needs to be an entire culture shift. As long as people pretend like this only happens because the victims drank too much, etc, this will continue to happen. Getting drunk doesn't cause someone to get gang raped. People feeling entitled to do what they want to someone else's body and having others who stand by and support that belief causes it to happen.
legally im not sure the kid broke any laws or is required to act (teachers, healthcare workers etc are)...morally indefensible, in-despicable...reality his life is ruined.
im not so sure that osu can kick him out of school either, if they do they will be defending a lawsuit.
imagine what his friends and family think of him, imagine what his girlfriend thinks, future girlfriends, wife, daughter...
that's what is frustrating - that many times there are no laws to hold someone accountable for this. He didn't just look the other way. This is encouraging the crime and then helping to cover it up.
Forgot to add - in many states, such as NJ, everyone is considered a mandated reported, not just health care workers, teachers, etc.
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The attorney is saying that he is fearful that because of all of the national attention he is fearful that his client and potential witnesses will be physically harmed from those seeking vigilante justice.
and this doosy...
One of the attorneys, Adam Nemann, told the Times that the girl was able to consent because she was able to remember her cellphone code after the alleged assault. He also added that she had posted comments and photos on Twitter and Facebook, which, he says, demonstrate she was sexually active and "clearly engaged in at-risk behavior".
Apparently, you can't be raped unless you're a virgin.
This attorney considers passed out drunk and/or drugged and described as "so dead" as "sexually active". He considers "at risk" behavior of being raped and sodomized as drinking and partying with friends and ex boyfriends.
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The attorney is saying that he is fearful that because of all of the national attention he is fearful that his client and potential witnesses will be physically harmed from those seeking vigilante justice.
Ahhh, those poor people.
There is no chance of innocence here as far as the jackass that made the tape. Wake Up, Rage Against The Machine "...what you reap, is what you sow!"
The attorney is saying that he is fearful that because of all of the national attention he is fearful that his client and potential witnesses will be physically harmed from those seeking vigilante justice.
and this doosy...
One of the attorneys, Adam Nemann, told the Times that the girl was able to consent because she was able to remember her cellphone code after the alleged assault. He also added that she had posted comments and photos on Twitter and Facebook, which, he says, demonstrate she was sexually active and "clearly engaged in at-risk behavior".
Apparently, you can't be raped unless you're a virgin.
This attorney considers passed out drunk and/or drugged and described as "so dead" as "sexually active". He considers "at risk" behavior of being raped and sodomized as drinking and partying with friends and ex boyfriends.
As an attorney, I can tell you, the guy's doing his job. I think his client is scum, but he wasn't paid to sell his client out. He was paid to protect his client's interests.
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The attorney is saying that he is fearful that because of all of the national attention he is fearful that his client and potential witnesses will be physically harmed from those seeking vigilante justice.
and this doosy...
One of the attorneys, Adam Nemann, told the Times that the girl was able to consent because she was able to remember her cellphone code after the alleged assault. He also added that she had posted comments and photos on Twitter and Facebook, which, he says, demonstrate she was sexually active and "clearly engaged in at-risk behavior".
Apparently, you can't be raped unless you're a virgin.
This attorney considers passed out drunk and/or drugged and described as "so dead" as "sexually active". He considers "at risk" behavior of being raped and sodomized as drinking and partying with friends and ex boyfriends.
As an attorney, I can tell you, the guy's doing his job. I think his client is scum, but he wasn't paid to sell his client out. He was paid to protect his client's interests.
So you are saying he was just hard up for a pay check? I mean he isn't a public defender so he wasn't forced to take this case, correct?
The attorney is saying that he is fearful that because of all of the national attention he is fearful that his client and potential witnesses will be physically harmed from those seeking vigilante justice.
and this doosy...
One of the attorneys, Adam Nemann, told the Times that the girl was able to consent because she was able to remember her cellphone code after the alleged assault. He also added that she had posted comments and photos on Twitter and Facebook, which, he says, demonstrate she was sexually active and "clearly engaged in at-risk behavior".
Apparently, you can't be raped unless you're a virgin.
This attorney considers passed out drunk and/or drugged and described as "so dead" as "sexually active". He considers "at risk" behavior of being raped and sodomized as drinking and partying with friends and ex boyfriends.
I know what you're saying here, but an attorney's job is to defend their clients. It's doubtful he would say these things if he wasn't in their employ.
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The attorney is saying that he is fearful that because of all of the national attention he is fearful that his client and potential witnesses will be physically harmed from those seeking vigilante justice.
and this doosy...
One of the attorneys, Adam Nemann, told the Times that the girl was able to consent because she was able to remember her cellphone code after the alleged assault. He also added that she had posted comments and photos on Twitter and Facebook, which, he says, demonstrate she was sexually active and "clearly engaged in at-risk behavior".
Apparently, you can't be raped unless you're a virgin.
This attorney considers passed out drunk and/or drugged and described as "so dead" as "sexually active". He considers "at risk" behavior of being raped and sodomized as drinking and partying with friends and ex boyfriends.
As an attorney, I can tell you, the guy's doing his job. I think his client is scum, but he wasn't paid to sell his client out. He was paid to protect his client's interests.
i agree 100% that its his job to protect his clients interests... i just dont think making ludicrous statements like the ones above protect his client. in fact i think it does the opposite, but maybe he is a genius and inciting rage is his game plan. talk to the press, make outrageous statements as to try to ensure his client cant / wont get a fair trial. i personally would have went with the classic "we dont want this tried in the media or in the court of public opinion, online or by some cyber vigilante group, we will continue to cooperate with investigators, hope for a fair trial and let the facts and circumstances speak for themselves"
whats your take???
The attorney is saying that he is fearful that because of all of the national attention he is fearful that his client and potential witnesses will be physically harmed from those seeking vigilante justice.
and this doosy...
One of the attorneys, Adam Nemann, told the Times that the girl was able to consent because she was able to remember her cellphone code after the alleged assault. He also added that she had posted comments and photos on Twitter and Facebook, which, he says, demonstrate she was sexually active and "clearly engaged in at-risk behavior".
Apparently, you can't be raped unless you're a virgin.
This attorney considers passed out drunk and/or drugged and described as "so dead" as "sexually active". He considers "at risk" behavior of being raped and sodomized as drinking and partying with friends and ex boyfriends.
As an attorney, I can tell you, the guy's doing his job. I think his client is scum, but he wasn't paid to sell his client out. He was paid to protect his client's interests.
So you are saying he was just hard up for a pay check? I mean he isn't a public defender so he wasn't forced to take this case, correct?
Could be. I don't know. But the point is, he was hired to represent his client. I don't think anyone would like a world where you can't find someone to represent you in a court.
Like I said, I'm not defending the kid or the lawyer. You're correct that the lawyer didn't have to take the case. I wouldn't. But that begs the question: what if no one takes the case? Is this kid just shit out of luck in terms of due process and his right to an attorney? I'm not sure we want to be in the business of castigating attorneys hired to represent unpopular defendants. We may not like what they say, we may hate their clients, but a nation where people aren't afforded representation is worse.
Remember: John Adams represented British soldiers because he believed in due process. Regardless of what we think of this piece of shit, he has a right to an attorney and his attorney then has an obligation to do his job. We don't have to agree with it, but that's what juries are for. For now, hate the kid. But don't hate his right to an attorney or his attorney's attempts (albe-they disgusting) to do his job.
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but maybe he is a genius and inciting rage is his game plan. talk to the press, make outrageous statements as to try to ensure his client cant / wont get a fair trial.
whats your take???
That might be exactly what he's trying to do. In a smaller community like that...shit...a change of venue is the only hope that kid has (slim chances to begin with, mind you), but even that doesn't avoid the incredibly inciteful video tape evidence.
Now...the bigger question will be...can the prosecutors string together the authenticity of this video? Its one thing if this is a surveillance video, but if an online hacker group is your source, would anyone come to court to testify as to its contents? Or how they got it? Or where they got it from? I'm just shooting from the hip here, but my guess is these will all be questions the prosecution and defense haggle over (in or out of public view).
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but maybe he is a genius and inciting rage is his game plan. talk to the press, make outrageous statements as to try to ensure his client cant / wont get a fair trial.
whats your take???
That might be exactly what he's trying to do. In a smaller community like that...shit...a change of venue is the only hope that kid has (slim chances to begin with, mind you), but even that doesn't avoid the incredibly inciteful video tape evidence.
Now...the bigger question will be...can the prosecutors string together the authenticity of this video? Its one thing if this is a surveillance video, but if an online hacker group is your source, would anyone come to court to testify as to its contents? Or how they got it? Or where they got it from? I'm just shooting from the hip here, but my guess is these will all be questions the prosecution and defense haggle over (in or out of public view).
i hear ya, it could be a groundbreaking case. the videos arent from the hack group they are from the youtube cache, same with the tweets, instagram and facbook postings all from cache after user deletion. im curious what happens the those that that witnessed all of this and did nothing and i mean not just the guys seen or heard on the video, those that were at the parties and etc.
but maybe he is a genius and inciting rage is his game plan. talk to the press, make outrageous statements as to try to ensure his client cant / wont get a fair trial.
whats your take???
That might be exactly what he's trying to do. In a smaller community like that...shit...a change of venue is the only hope that kid has (slim chances to begin with, mind you), but even that doesn't avoid the incredibly inciteful video tape evidence.
Now...the bigger question will be...can the prosecutors string together the authenticity of this video? Its one thing if this is a surveillance video, but if an online hacker group is your source, would anyone come to court to testify as to its contents? Or how they got it? Or where they got it from? I'm just shooting from the hip here, but my guess is these will all be questions the prosecution and defense haggle over (in or out of public view).
i hear ya, it could be a groundbreaking case. the videos arent from the hack group they are from the youtube cache, same with the tweets, instagram and facbook postings all from cache after user deletion. im curious what happens the those that that witnessed all of this and did nothing and i mean not just the guys seen or heard on the video, those that were at the parties and etc.
vant may be able to speak more to this than I can, but Ohio does have a bystander law if the perpetrators are charged with a felony and if the guy in the video is charged with helping to conceal the crime.
http://www.theindychannel.com/news/some ... tander-law "Among other Midwest states, only Ohio has a bystander law. A federal law makes it a crime to conceal a felony, but does not punish those who witness a crime and don't report it."
Bystander issues have become a big issue with these kinds of crimes and most prevention programs focus on bystander intervention.
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disgusting reporting by CNN. should be no sympathy for those 2 boys. they showed a callous disregard for this girl. f them
i think the court attorney or was it the judge said it best ... this isn't a stuebenville problem ... it's a nation problem ...
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What about the pieces of human garbage that commented on those videos taken during the parties? I hope they get some justice as well.
It is an all around sad story, a truly sad problem that people find actions like this OK, funny, tolerable, etc. Most sad for this girl who is likely changed for life by this whole atrocity. Sad all around. It is hard to watch the young man realize what the impact of his actions are but I have to wonder if he felt that way when he woke up the next morning, sober, and realized what an animal he behaved like. Just all around sad. These kids should all have to do more than a year or 2 for what they did to this poor girl though.
I also wonder if the CNN reporter watched the video footage of the kids talking about this incident and if that would have changed her stance at all.
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Yeah, the sentence for the one young man (if that's what you could even call him) seemed like a fuck-you-slap to the woman who was raped...photographed...treated like a piece of shit.
Worse, really.
Good on the scumbag if he actually digested the gravity of his actions. Live with it and have it eat at you on a daily and nightly basis...again, like the woman you ravaged.
I don't get these supposed punishments. Like the dude in Colorado who was sentenced to two years for repeatedly raping a 13-yr-old girl.
apparently the court attorney is not done with this case by a long shot ... he's going after the kids that took videos and distributed stuff ... no one talked in this investigation ... all them kids are gonna be subpoenaed to a grand jury ... you can expect more charges ...
judges have a criminal code to work with ... it's not like the sentences are arbitrary ... you have to change the criminal code ...
True, but they have a lot of leeway within that code and their sentencing. Judges are far from being perfectly impartial. They also allow their own sentiments to influence their sentencing.
Edit: was wondering what the average was and found this: "Under federal law the punishment for rape can range from a fine to Life imprisonment". Depending on the 'type' of rape and where it happened (and the judge). Average seems to be 8 years.
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I just did a search for the standard sentences in Ohio for rape (NOT what I'd like to google on a Monday morning - hell, ANYtime) - couldn't find a straight-up answer, which in itself is ridiculous.
I just find it hard to believe that a judge's hands were tied in doling out a heavier, and just, sentence.
True, but they have a lot of leeway within that code and their sentencing. Judges are far from being perfectly impartial. They also allow their own sentiments to influence their sentencing.
Edit: was wondering what the average was and found this: "Under federal law the punishment for rape can range from a fine to Life imprisonment". Depending on the 'type' of rape and where it happened (and the judge). Average seems to be 8 years.
remember these kids were tried as juveniles ... not adults ... it's different ... the judge pretty much said if they were tried as adults ... they've would've gotten way stiffer sentences ...
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Actually, he probably will be accountable in that his name is out there on the internet saying these despicable things and looking like a non-human.
Any employer who does a search on him will come across this video. I think his life is not going to be too easy after this.
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legally im not sure the kid broke any laws or is required to act (teachers, healthcare workers etc are)...morally indefensible, in-despicable...reality his life is ruined.
im not so sure that osu can kick him out of school either, if they do they will be defending a lawsuit.
imagine what his friends and family think of him, imagine what his girlfriend thinks, future girlfriends, wife, daughter...
Agree 100%. NeilJam posted that people at OSU, where the asswipe that made this video is a student, are making issues for him. If I went there and saw this kid I would have a tough time not becoming a criminal myself and beating him bloody for the content of that video and his attitude. Damn, this is disturbing.
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Forgot to add - in many states, such as NJ, everyone is considered a mandated reported, not just health care workers, teachers, etc.
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The attorney is saying that he is fearful that because of all of the national attention he is fearful that his client and potential witnesses will be physically harmed from those seeking vigilante justice.
and this doosy...
One of the attorneys, Adam Nemann, told the Times that the girl was able to consent because she was able to remember her cellphone code after the alleged assault. He also added that she had posted comments and photos on Twitter and Facebook, which, he says, demonstrate she was sexually active and "clearly engaged in at-risk behavior".
Apparently, you can't be raped unless you're a virgin.
This attorney considers passed out drunk and/or drugged and described as "so dead" as "sexually active". He considers "at risk" behavior of being raped and sodomized as drinking and partying with friends and ex boyfriends.
Ahhh, those poor people.
There is no chance of innocence here as far as the jackass that made the tape.
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As an attorney, I can tell you, the guy's doing his job. I think his client is scum, but he wasn't paid to sell his client out. He was paid to protect his client's interests.
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I know what you're saying here, but an attorney's job is to defend their clients. It's doubtful he would say these things if he wasn't in their employ.
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i agree 100% that its his job to protect his clients interests... i just dont think making ludicrous statements like the ones above protect his client. in fact i think it does the opposite, but maybe he is a genius and inciting rage is his game plan. talk to the press, make outrageous statements as to try to ensure his client cant / wont get a fair trial. i personally would have went with the classic "we dont want this tried in the media or in the court of public opinion, online or by some cyber vigilante group, we will continue to cooperate with investigators, hope for a fair trial and let the facts and circumstances speak for themselves"
whats your take???
Could be. I don't know. But the point is, he was hired to represent his client. I don't think anyone would like a world where you can't find someone to represent you in a court.
Like I said, I'm not defending the kid or the lawyer. You're correct that the lawyer didn't have to take the case. I wouldn't. But that begs the question: what if no one takes the case? Is this kid just shit out of luck in terms of due process and his right to an attorney? I'm not sure we want to be in the business of castigating attorneys hired to represent unpopular defendants. We may not like what they say, we may hate their clients, but a nation where people aren't afforded representation is worse.
Remember: John Adams represented British soldiers because he believed in due process. Regardless of what we think of this piece of shit, he has a right to an attorney and his attorney then has an obligation to do his job. We don't have to agree with it, but that's what juries are for. For now, hate the kid. But don't hate his right to an attorney or his attorney's attempts (albe-they disgusting) to do his job.
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That might be exactly what he's trying to do. In a smaller community like that...shit...a change of venue is the only hope that kid has (slim chances to begin with, mind you), but even that doesn't avoid the incredibly inciteful video tape evidence.
Now...the bigger question will be...can the prosecutors string together the authenticity of this video? Its one thing if this is a surveillance video, but if an online hacker group is your source, would anyone come to court to testify as to its contents? Or how they got it? Or where they got it from? I'm just shooting from the hip here, but my guess is these will all be questions the prosecution and defense haggle over (in or out of public view).
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i hear ya, it could be a groundbreaking case. the videos arent from the hack group they are from the youtube cache, same with the tweets, instagram and facbook postings all from cache after user deletion. im curious what happens the those that that witnessed all of this and did nothing and i mean not just the guys seen or heard on the video, those that were at the parties and etc.
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"Among other Midwest states, only Ohio has a bystander law. A federal law makes it a crime to conceal a felony, but does not punish those who witness a crime and don't report it."
Bystander issues have become a big issue with these kinds of crimes and most prevention programs focus on bystander intervention.
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isn't it funny how Notre Dame people try and act all high and mighty. The Seeberg story is very sad and disturbing
disgusting reporting by CNN. should be no sympathy for those 2 boys. they showed a callous disregard for this girl. f them
i think the court attorney or was it the judge said it best ... this isn't a stuebenville problem ... it's a nation problem ...
It is an all around sad story, a truly sad problem that people find actions like this OK, funny, tolerable, etc. Most sad for this girl who is likely changed for life by this whole atrocity. Sad all around. It is hard to watch the young man realize what the impact of his actions are but I have to wonder if he felt that way when he woke up the next morning, sober, and realized what an animal he behaved like. Just all around sad. These kids should all have to do more than a year or 2 for what they did to this poor girl though.
I also wonder if the CNN reporter watched the video footage of the kids talking about this incident and if that would have changed her stance at all.
Worse, really.
Good on the scumbag if he actually digested the gravity of his actions. Live with it and have it eat at you on a daily and nightly basis...again, like the woman you ravaged.
I don't get these supposed punishments. Like the dude in Colorado who was sentenced to two years for repeatedly raping a 13-yr-old girl.
TWO YEARS. That's it?
I say take the judges down too.
Lenient motherfuckers.
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judges have a criminal code to work with ... it's not like the sentences are arbitrary ... you have to change the criminal code ...
True, but they have a lot of leeway within that code and their sentencing. Judges are far from being perfectly impartial. They also allow their own sentiments to influence their sentencing.
Edit: was wondering what the average was and found this: "Under federal law the punishment for rape can range from a fine to Life imprisonment". Depending on the 'type' of rape and where it happened (and the judge). Average seems to be 8 years.
I just find it hard to believe that a judge's hands were tied in doling out a heavier, and just, sentence.
Shameful.
I have no pity for these 'nice young men with such a bright future' and the judge shouldn't have had any either.
remember these kids were tried as juveniles ... not adults ... it's different ... the judge pretty much said if they were tried as adults ... they've would've gotten way stiffer sentences ...