Chicago Cubs baseball!!!

darwinstheory

In the meantime, I'm very curious as to who the starters for the north side are going to be next season. 

HesCalledDyer

Hhopefully not Chris fucking Archer. Don’t know why everyone thinks he’s so great.

darwinstheory

Yeah, I never got it either. I mean he's not awful either, but not the blue chipper everyone seems to think he is.

And it's not just SP either, but what about the bullpen? I think the thought was to hand it to Edwards Jr. next season, but I don't think that's going to be the case anymore.

HesCalledDyer

$13million a year for another less than mediocre pitcher.  Dude went 8-15 with an ERA near 5 on a playoff team.  Yeah, he'll be great.

Gtilley8

HesCalledDyer said:

$13million a year for another less than mediocre pitcher.  Dude went 8-15 with an ERA near 5 on a playoff team.  Yeah, he'll be great.

He's had a sub 3.00 ERA on the road the last 2 seasons.  I really like his splits away from the HR derby park in Denver.  If he's our 4 or 5, I think we're in good shape.  As for the money, heck, that just what SPs are getting these days.  I do believe it's a little crazy at 13M, but it is what it is.

mca47

Gtilley8 said:

HesCalledDyer said:

$13million a year for another less than mediocre pitcher.  Dude went 8-15 with an ERA near 5 on a playoff team.  Yeah, he'll be great.

He's had a sub 3.00 ERA on the road the last 2 seasons.  I really like his splits away from the HR derby park in Denver.  If he's our 4 or 5, I think we're in good shape.  As for the money, heck, that just what SPs are getting these days.  I do believe it's a little crazy at 13M, but it is what it is.

Yeah, it's crazy what SP's get anymore, but this I think was an alright pick up.  He'll def be an upgrade to Lackey.  

darwinstheory

I like the deal. Maybe just have him skip a start should hire turn in the rotation come up when the Cubs are in COL. Sub 3.00 ERA on the road is great for a 4 or 5.

darwinstheory

With Wade Davis signing in Colorado, who is the closer going to be? 

Also, who do you prefer:

Darvish, Cobb or Arrieta 

Degeneratefk

HesCalledDyer said:

Hhopefully not Chris fucking Archer. Don’t know why everyone thinks he’s so great.

Dude can strikeout batters period. 

bbiggs

darwinstheory said:

With Wade Davis signing in Colorado, who is the closer going to be? 

Also, who do you prefer:

Darvish, Cobb or Arrieta 

Rondon?  JK...gotta be Brandon morrow imo.

good question. With the money Jake is gonna get...let him walk. Of the other 2, give me darvish. Cobb wants $20m a year. Not sure he’s worth it.  

darwinstheory

^^^I agree with that. Plus letting someone else get Jake gets the Cubs an extra draft pick. 

HesCalledDyer

Degeneratefk said:

HesCalledDyer said:

Hhopefully not Chris fucking Archer. Don’t know why everyone thinks he’s so great.

Dude can strikeout batters period. 

Period is right. He can't do anything else.

Degeneratefk

HesCalledDyer said:

Degeneratefk said:

HesCalledDyer said:

Hhopefully not Chris fucking Archer. Don’t know why everyone thinks he’s so great.

Dude can strikeout batters period. 

Period is right. He can't do anything else.

God forbid we get a dude that can k 10+ batters per game. He got no run support in Tampa for years. He's a career 3.6 era. Why not?

HesCalledDyer

Past two seasons he's a combined 19-32 with a 4.05 ERA and 1.25 whip.  His hits allowed have climbed every season of his career. He has more starts giving up 10 or more runs than many teams in the past 3 or 4 seasons.

Degeneratefk

HesCalledDyer said:

Past two seasons he's a combined 19-32 with a 4.05 ERA and 1.25 whip.  His hits allowed have climbed every season of his career. He has more starts giving up 10 or more runs than many teams in the past 3 or 4 seasons.

So that means you forget the first 3 years of his career? This guy needs a change of scenery and he will be fine. He's a great pitcher. 

HesCalledDyer

Degeneratefk said:

HesCalledDyer said:

Past two seasons he's a combined 19-32 with a 4.05 ERA and 1.25 whip.  His hits allowed have climbed every season of his career. He has more starts giving up 10 or more runs than many teams in the past 3 or 4 seasons.

So that means you forget the first 3 years of his career? This guy needs a change of scenery and he will be fine. He's a great pitcher. 

It doesn't mean ignore it, but it gives me more of a "what have you done for me lately?" idea, which is nothing but strike people out and get shelled. He's not that good.

Degeneratefk

HesCalledDyer said:

Degeneratefk said:

HesCalledDyer said:

Past two seasons he's a combined 19-32 with a 4.05 ERA and 1.25 whip.  His hits allowed have climbed every season of his career. He has more starts giving up 10 or more runs than many teams in the past 3 or 4 seasons.

So that means you forget the first 3 years of his career? This guy needs a change of scenery and he will be fine. He's a great pitcher. 

It doesn't mean ignore it, but it gives me more of a "what have you done for me lately?" idea, which is nothing but strike people out and get shelled. He's not that good.

I suppose we can agree to disagree about him. Id rather have archer than Quintana. 

Gtilley8

Degeneratefk said:

HesCalledDyer said:

Degeneratefk said:

HesCalledDyer said:

Past two seasons he's a combined 19-32 with a 4.05 ERA and 1.25 whip.  His hits allowed have climbed every season of his career. He has more starts giving up 10 or more runs than many teams in the past 3 or 4 seasons.

So that means you forget the first 3 years of his career? This guy needs a change of scenery and he will be fine. He's a great pitcher. 

It doesn't mean ignore it, but it gives me more of a "what have you done for me lately?" idea, which is nothing but strike people out and get shelled. He's not that good.

I suppose we can agree to disagree about him. Id rather have archer than Quintana. 

I'm up in the air about the two.  I like Quintana a lot. I think he has great upside, and I think we're going to see a hell of a year out of him in 18.  Archer is a great talent, much like Arrieta was when we picked him up.  He could just as easily be a 20 game winner as he could be a bust in the long run.  

Just saw we offered Arrieta 4 years at 110M.  Interesting to see if that gets it done, or we're just upping the ante for another suiter.  

Degeneratefk

Gtilley8 said:

Degeneratefk said:

HesCalledDyer said:

Degeneratefk said:

HesCalledDyer said:

Past two seasons he's a combined 19-32 with a 4.05 ERA and 1.25 whip.  His hits allowed have climbed every season of his career. He has more starts giving up 10 or more runs than many teams in the past 3 or 4 seasons.

So that means you forget the first 3 years of his career? This guy needs a change of scenery and he will be fine. He's a great pitcher. 

It doesn't mean ignore it, but it gives me more of a "what have you done for me lately?" idea, which is nothing but strike people out and get shelled. He's not that good.

I suppose we can agree to disagree about him. Id rather have archer than Quintana. 

I'm up in the air about the two.  I like Quintana a lot. I think he has great upside, and I think we're going to see a hell of a year out of him in 18.  Archer is a great talent, much like Arrieta was when we picked him up.  He could just as easily be a 20 game winner as he could be a bust in the long run.  

Just saw we offered Arrieta 4 years at 110M.  Interesting to see if that gets it done, or we're just upping the ante for another suiter.  

I think jake wants out. I don't know why. That's a great offer on both sides. I just feel like jake wants way more than that. Years and contract value.

bbiggs

^ Jake and Boras as well. 

darwinstheory

I don't know exactly why, but I have always viewed Jake as a baseball player, not really a Chicago Cub. I don't see him as being the guy that hangs around Wrigley when he's long retired. It just makes it easier for me to say good bye to a player when it's that way.

HesCalledDyer

I was skeptical of Quintana, but he put up some really good performances down the stretch.  Anxious to see what he brings this season.

One thing is for sure, if we have another year of 1-8 (with the exception of Bryant) batting .235 into August -  a rotation of Kershaw, Max, Sale, Kluber, & Greinke couldn't save us.

Degeneratefk

HesCalledDyer said:

I was skeptical of Quintana, but he put up some really good performances down the stretch.  Anxious to see what he brings this season.

One thing is for sure, if we have another year of 1-8 (with the exception of Bryant) batting .235 into August -  a rotation of Kershaw, Max, Sale, Kluber, & Greinke couldn't save us.

You give me those 5 pitchers, and I wouldn't care if you sat bryant for 3/4 of the season!

Gtilley8

Degeneratefk said:

Gtilley8 said:

Degeneratefk said:

HesCalledDyer said:

Degeneratefk said:

HesCalledDyer said:

Past two seasons he's a combined 19-32 with a 4.05 ERA and 1.25 whip.  His hits allowed have climbed every season of his career. He has more starts giving up 10 or more runs than many teams in the past 3 or 4 seasons.

So that means you forget the first 3 years of his career? This guy needs a change of scenery and he will be fine. He's a great pitcher. 

It doesn't mean ignore it, but it gives me more of a "what have you done for me lately?" idea, which is nothing but strike people out and get shelled. He's not that good.

I suppose we can agree to disagree about him. Id rather have archer than Quintana. 

I'm up in the air about the two.  I like Quintana a lot. I think he has great upside, and I think we're going to see a hell of a year out of him in 18.  Archer is a great talent, much like Arrieta was when we picked him up.  He could just as easily be a 20 game winner as he could be a bust in the long run.  

Just saw we offered Arrieta 4 years at 110M.  Interesting to see if that gets it done, or we're just upping the ante for another suiter.  

I think jake wants out. I don't know why. That's a great offer on both sides. I just feel like jake wants way more than that. Years and contract value.

I agree.  I think a part of it is his "aces get paid" comments.  If he comes back for anything but a record payout, he doesn't save face.  I think that's more important to him now, since winning one.  

HesCalledDyer

$27.5M per year.  At Jake's latest rate, that's about $167k per inning.

HesCalledDyer

I wouldn't mind having him back though, don't get me wrong.  He's lost some command the past couple seasons, but it seems like when we've needed someone to step up in a big game, he's always done so.

Degeneratefk

I don't know why the cubs would offer baez for one if San Diego's "controllable" starters.  I wouldn't think any of SD's starters are worth much of anything.

i_lov_it

Go Cubs

Gtilley8

HesCalledDyer said:

I wouldn't mind having him back though, don't get me wrong.  He's lost some command the past couple seasons, but it seems like when we've needed someone to step up in a big game, he's always done so.

No doubt. Jake has been the man for us.  Totally not even an argument there. Work ethic, preparedness, attitude - love the way he approaches the game.  There's a lot to like.  His comments prior to becoming a free agent, about how he thought he should be paid - they put me off a bit.  Combine that with his political comments on Twitter, which- yeah I'm a liberal, so I thought he looked like an ass..... Either way, that had nothing to do with his baseball skills.  Would take him back for anything that didn't cripple the organization.  

Degeneratefk

Gtilley8 said:

HesCalledDyer said:

I wouldn't mind having him back though, don't get me wrong.  He's lost some command the past couple seasons, but it seems like when we've needed someone to step up in a big game, he's always done so.

No doubt. Jake has been the man for us.  Totally not even an argument there. Work ethic, preparedness, attitude - love the way he approaches the game.  There's a lot to like.  His comments prior to becoming a free agent, about how he thought he should be paid - they put me off a bit.  Combine that with his political comments on Twitter, which- yeah I'm a liberal, so I thought he looked like an ass..... Either way, that had nothing to do with his baseball skills.  Would take him back for anything that didn't cripple the organization.  

I am only referring to your last comment here. I don't think Theo would ever out the cubs in a position where one guys contract would cripple them. He has to be, along with BB in New England,  the best general manager in all of professional sports when it comes to player salaries.