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It's Super Tuesday and Our Choice is a Joke

kenny olavkenny olav Posts: 3,323
edited March 2012 in A Moving Train
I published this mean mofo this morning... and now that it's late afternoon, I'm willing to debate it. :wave:

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It's Super Tuesday and Our Choice is a Joke

2012 is a year in which the folly of the process by which a political party nominates its candidates for President of the United States has been outdone by the words of the candidates themselves. The Democrats, with no serious challenger to the sitting President, are out of the spotlight, and the Republicans, with many willing contestants, have performed with rare ineptitude. Even George W. Bush would have been out-clowned this year. Satirists have benefited like never before and there's still eight more months to go.

Mitt Romney's status as the likely Republican nominee has more to do with the other candidates' undoing of themselves than does his strong financial and organizational foothold. Michelle Bachmann, Rick Perry, Herman Cain, Newt Gingrich and Rick Santorum have all held short-lived terms as frontrunner, but once they used the power of that pulpit, they quickly got themselves voted off it. Romney ultimately owns the pulpit, and despite the inconsistency of what he says when he's on it, he looks the most natural. Selling bullshit has been his life's work. He's worked hard at it and he's succeeded with great rewards. He's earned that pulpit.

Republicans have no choice but to either send a conservative fire-breather into the ring with President Obama, or to send someone who's a pro at juggling moderate and a conservative stances on the issues. The latter choice would normally be the easy one to make, but Romney's mishandling of the act has made it difficult. Say what needs to be said about the acts of George W. Bush, but he was a decent enough actor. It got him enough votes to steal the election without too much hassle.

There is no safe bet on who will win the election this November. Romney could conceivably win enough swing states. My guess is that Obama humiliates Romney in the debates and holds on to just about as many electoral votes as he won in 2008, and that is also my sincere hope, but I don't hope for too much in this country.

While I did vote for him for President, I never felt at ease with the hope and change message of Barack Obama. It's far too generic. And that's why Obama can claim things have changed. Of course things have changed. Things change every year. The political establishment changes with the polls, and the polls tend to focus on social issues. Social changes are important, but are minor in comparison to how government and finance operate, and any change to that is internal. The Obama administration naturally wants the economy to work as well as it can, but doesn't want to change how the economy works. What amuses me about a oft-repeated claim that Obama is a socialist is that no socialist agrees with it. There's no hope for it either.

Democrats and left-leaning independents also do not have a choice. It's either let a corporate raider and panderer to the socially conservative take the White House, or maintain the status quo, which is still to the right of other countries' center. There is no progressive challenger this year, and it's likely due to Obama having walked the tightrope between moderates and progressives without slipping and landing squarely on one side or the other. This balancing act is a sure hit, and the Democrats found a guy who nails it.

Paleoconservatives and libertarians are the lucky ones this year. They have their hero Dr. Ron Paul to vote for. No need for another choice. It's nice to live in that world of revolutionary fantasy. They sure are happy at every rally, even when they just came in last place, again. Thoughts of what is wrong about modern America can always be defeated with thoughts of the rightness of America's founding fathers and the revolution they won. Never mind the legality of slavery, the lack of child labor laws, the lack of women's rights, etc, etc, etc. According to Ron Paul, America's dark past begins with the dreaded Federal Reserve Act of 1913. Sure, the founding fathers gave us the First Bank of the United States, which was a central bank like the Fed, but that was the works of Federalists like Hamilton operating against the wishes of Jefferson and Madison, and Madison ended it when he became President, although he revived central banking five years later with the Second Bank of the United States. Again, never mind.

Super Tuesday is generally the day when everyone knows what the cards are, and what states will be playing what card. This year, we know that Romney has the northeast, the Rockies, the west coast and Florida. Santorum has the middle states. Gingrich has the deep south. Paul might win the northern plains or maybe Alaska - these are places where no one has bothered to poll, so who knows? It doesn't matter. All of the Republicans are jokers this year, and Obama may not hold the aces, but it's smarter to bet on his cards. I'm just not a betting man.
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    You say "but I don't hope for too much in this country." (Sounds a lot like our First Lady.)

    But you HOPED for an awful lot when you voted for Obama the first time...

    Sounds, by the sardonic tone of your piece, that your hopes have been flattened.

    Keep your head up...
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    kenny olavkenny olav Posts: 3,323
    I didn't hope for an awful lot when I voted for Obama the 1st time. I just hoped that McCain/Palin wouldn't win, which would have been awful.... we'd already be dropping bombs in Syria right now, and probably dragging Iran into the conflict. Not that the Syrian people don't need our help, but McCain is far too trigger-happy.
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    pandorapandora Posts: 21,855
    "when you don't know what to do do nothing at all"

    status quo might be the way to go ... just saying ... we got a small biz to take care of
    not a time to gamble for me
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    kenny olavkenny olav Posts: 3,323
    I'll be voting for the status quo, wholeheartedly. Best we can hope for. :)
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    kenny olav wrote:
    I didn't hope for an awful lot when I voted for Obama the 1st time. I just hoped that McCain/Palin wouldn't win, which would have been awful.... we'd already be dropping bombs in Syria right now, and probably dragging Iran into the conflict. Not that the Syrian people don't need our help, but McCain is far too trigger-happy.


    Obama took the side of the Iranian Regime and neglected to support the popular uprising there.
    Result: Islamic Government still there, talking daily of destroying Israel.

    But then took the side of the Egyptians, and overthrew our 30 year ally in Mubarak.
    Result: Fundamentalist Islam taking over, pointing their US provided weapons at Israel.

    Obama then decided to overthrow Libya, and murdered a fairly stable lap dog in Ghaddafi.
    Result: Muslim Brotherhood taking over Gov't, already calling for the "destruction of zionists".

    And in Syria: Obama sits on his hands while Iran's little brother kills thousands and thousands.
    Result: China, Russia, Iran all telling the US to butt-out. And Obama is happy to do it.


    In short, Obama has assisted in overthrowing only the stable gov'ts, and sat by to allow the repressive ones to stay in power.

    One might say, that Obama wants turmoil in the Middle East, by these actions.
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    brianluxbrianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 40,711
    kenny olav wrote:
    I didn't hope for an awful lot when I voted for Obama the 1st time. I just hoped that McCain/Palin wouldn't win, which would have been awful.... we'd already be dropping bombs in Syria right now, and probably dragging Iran into the conflict. Not that the Syrian people don't need our help, but McCain is far too trigger-happy.

    I'm totally with this. In fact, pretty much every time I've voted (which is a lot of voting) it's generally been hoping against the worst of choices not for the better. To me it feels more and more so as time passes. I agree-- the choice is a joke. I wish we'd stop joking and get serious.
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    kenny olavkenny olav Posts: 3,323
    Right... Obama wants turmoil... :roll:

    And it's just so easy to topple a regime....

    The Lybians toppled a regime that was long in decline, and the U.S. wasn't the only country to help. I think Obama wants to help topple the Assad regime in Syria, but it's not a simple thing to do.
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    RFTCRFTC Posts: 723
    kenny olav wrote:
    I didn't hope for an awful lot when I voted for Obama the 1st time. I just hoped that McCain/Palin wouldn't win, which would have been awful.... we'd already be dropping bombs in Syria right now, and probably dragging Iran into the conflict. Not that the Syrian people don't need our help, but McCain is far too trigger-happy.


    Obama took the side of the Iranian Regime and neglected to support the popular uprising there.
    Result: Islamic Government still there, talking daily of destroying Israel.

    But then took the side of the Egyptians, and overthrew our 30 year ally in Mubarak.
    Result: Fundamentalist Islam taking over, pointing their US provided weapons at Israel.

    Obama then decided to overthrow Libya, and murdered a fairly stable lap dog in Ghaddafi.
    Result: Muslim Brotherhood taking over Gov't, already calling for the "destruction of zionists".

    And in Syria: Obama sits on his hands while Iran's little brother kills thousands and thousands.
    Result: China, Russia, Iran all telling the US to butt-out. And Obama is happy to do it.


    In short, Obama has assisted in overthrowing only the stable gov'ts, and sat by to allow the repressive ones to stay in power.

    One might say, that Obama wants turmoil in the Middle East, by these actions.

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    ZosoZoso Posts: 6,425
    kenny olav wrote:
    I didn't hope for an awful lot when I voted for Obama the 1st time. I just hoped that McCain/Palin wouldn't win, which would have been awful.... we'd already be dropping bombs in Syria right now, and probably dragging Iran into the conflict. Not that the Syrian people don't need our help, but McCain is far too trigger-happy.


    Obama took the side of the Iranian Regime and neglected to support the popular uprising there.
    Result: Islamic Government still there, talking daily of destroying Israel.

    But then took the side of the Egyptians, and overthrew our 30 year ally in Mubarak.
    Result: Fundamentalist Islam taking over, pointing their US provided weapons at Israel.

    Obama then decided to overthrow Libya, and murdered a fairly stable lap dog in Ghaddafi.
    Result: Muslim Brotherhood taking over Gov't, already calling for the "destruction of zionists".

    And in Syria: Obama sits on his hands while Iran's little brother kills thousands and thousands.
    Result: China, Russia, Iran all telling the US to butt-out. And Obama is happy to do it.


    In short, Obama has assisted in overthrowing only the stable gov'ts, and sat by to allow the repressive ones to stay in power.

    One might say, that Obama wants turmoil in the Middle East, by these actions.

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    CosmoCosmo Posts: 12,219
    Obama took the side of the Iranian Regime and neglected to support the popular uprising there.
    Result: Islamic Government still there, talking daily of destroying Israel.

    But then took the side of the Egyptians, and overthrew our 30 year ally in Mubarak.
    Result: Fundamentalist Islam taking over, pointing their US provided weapons at Israel.

    Obama then decided to overthrow Libya, and murdered a fairly stable lap dog in Ghaddafi.
    Result: Muslim Brotherhood taking over Gov't, already calling for the "destruction of zionists".

    And in Syria: Obama sits on his hands while Iran's little brother kills thousands and thousands.
    Result: China, Russia, Iran all telling the US to butt-out. And Obama is happy to do it.


    In short, Obama has assisted in overthrowing only the stable gov'ts, and sat by to allow the repressive ones to stay in power.

    One might say, that Obama wants turmoil in the Middle East, by these actions.
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    I gave you the benefit of the doubt in another thread... but, you really sound a lot like Newt McPalin.
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    inmytreeinmytree Posts: 4,741
    A pretty good read, thanks for sharing... :D
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    mysticweedmysticweed Posts: 3,710
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    kenny olav wrote:
    Right... Obama wants turmoil... :roll:

    And it's just so easy to topple a regime....

    The Lybians toppled a regime that was long in decline, and the U.S. wasn't the only country to help. I think Obama wants to help topple the Assad regime in Syria, but it's not a simple thing to do.

    so many have forgotten what a shit pile Obama was left with
    the fact that the country didn't completely collapse is a testament to him
    i will vote for him again
    and gladly
    and i used to be a republican
    i campaigned for Gerald freakin' Ford the first election in which i was old enough to vote and he pardoned Nixon (whom i would have also voted for had i been of age)
    but that first Bush
    the disgust and bitterness that crawled under my skin every time he opened his mouth turned me away
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    mikepegg44mikepegg44 Posts: 3,353
    kenny olav wrote:

    Paleoconservatives and libertarians are the lucky ones this year. They have their hero Dr. Ron Paul to vote for. No need for another choice. It's nice to live in that world of revolutionary fantasy. They sure are happy at every rally, even when they just came in last place, again. Thoughts of what is wrong about modern America can always be defeated with thoughts of the rightness of America's founding fathers and the revolution they won. Never mind the legality of slavery, the lack of child labor laws, the lack of women's rights, etc, etc, etc. According to Ron Paul, America's dark past begins with the dreaded Federal Reserve Act of 1913. Sure, the founding fathers gave us the First Bank of the United States, which was a central bank like the Fed, but that was the works of Federalists like Hamilton operating against the wishes of Jefferson and Madison, and Madison ended it when he became President, although he revived central banking five years later with the Second Bank of the United States. Again, never mind.

    lol...and that is the central misunderstanding of Paul. Please get into an argument with Dr. Paul about the central banks and banking history all together...I would love to see how much better of an understanding of the process you have than he does...

    If you keep making over-simplified generalizations like that in your publications and you will go very far. That was serious by the way...these kinds of stances are what people like to read whether they agree or disagree. strong perspective even if it is a pretty short-sided argument...just like the masters...Hannity, O'Reilly, Limbaugh...pretty good piece and an enjoyable read even though I may not agree with you.

    as far as debate goes, it seems as though you are advocating the lesser of two evils voting argument?
    do you think it is good for people to continue to support an antiquated two party system that the majority participate in by simply voting against the other party? Don't you think that people should begin to advocate actually voting for a person that fits there political mold rather than against the one who doesn't? the `anyone but that guy` philosophy is why we remain stuck where we are...with two parallel parties pandering to the american public while they all reap the benefits from the government bastardized market place
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    peacefrompaulpeacefrompaul Posts: 25,293
    mikepegg44 wrote:

    as far as debate goes, it seems as though you are advocating the lesser of two evils voting argument?
    do you think it is good for people to continue to support an antiquated two party system that the majority participate in by simply voting against the other party? Don't you think that people should begin to advocate actually voting for a person that fits there political mold rather than against the one who doesn't? the `anyone but that guy` philosophy is why we remain stuck where we are...with two parallel parties pandering to the american public while they all reap the benefits from the government bastardized market place

    Totally, totally, totally agree with your statement. I vote for the person! The very first time I voted, (I've only voted once. Wisconsin primaries will be my second) I looked up every person running in my district. I voted for Republicans, Democrats, and third party candidates.
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    mikepegg44mikepegg44 Posts: 3,353
    mikepegg44 wrote:

    as far as debate goes, it seems as though you are advocating the lesser of two evils voting argument?
    do you think it is good for people to continue to support an antiquated two party system that the majority participate in by simply voting against the other party? Don't you think that people should begin to advocate actually voting for a person that fits there political mold rather than against the one who doesn't? the `anyone but that guy` philosophy is why we remain stuck where we are...with two parallel parties pandering to the american public while they all reap the benefits from the government bastardized market place

    Totally, totally, totally agree with your statement. I vote for the person! The very first time I voted, (I've only voted once. Wisconsin primaries will be my second) I looked up every person running in my district. I voted for Republicans, Democrats, and third party candidates.

    it gets my dander up any time I hear people do it and then in the same breath complain about politicians...we get what we vote for...
    btw, I started my college career at the U of W Eau Claire...sorry to say I did not enjoy my time spent in the badger state....the drinking is top notch however
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    peacefrompaulpeacefrompaul Posts: 25,293
    mikepegg44 wrote:
    mikepegg44 wrote:

    as far as debate goes, it seems as though you are advocating the lesser of two evils voting argument?
    do you think it is good for people to continue to support an antiquated two party system that the majority participate in by simply voting against the other party? Don't you think that people should begin to advocate actually voting for a person that fits there political mold rather than against the one who doesn't? the `anyone but that guy` philosophy is why we remain stuck where we are...with two parallel parties pandering to the american public while they all reap the benefits from the government bastardized market place

    Totally, totally, totally agree with your statement. I vote for the person! The very first time I voted, (I've only voted once. Wisconsin primaries will be my second) I looked up every person running in my district. I voted for Republicans, Democrats, and third party candidates.

    it gets my dander up any time I hear people do it and then in the same breath complain about politicians...we get what we vote for...
    btw, I started my college career at the U of W Eau Claire...sorry to say I did not enjoy my time spent in the badger state....the drinking is top notch however

    Yeah... We drink a lot.

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    kenny olavkenny olav Posts: 3,323
    mikepegg44 wrote:
    kenny olav wrote:

    Paleoconservatives and libertarians are the lucky ones this year. They have their hero Dr. Ron Paul to vote for. No need for another choice. It's nice to live in that world of revolutionary fantasy. They sure are happy at every rally, even when they just came in last place, again. Thoughts of what is wrong about modern America can always be defeated with thoughts of the rightness of America's founding fathers and the revolution they won. Never mind the legality of slavery, the lack of child labor laws, the lack of women's rights, etc, etc, etc. According to Ron Paul, America's dark past begins with the dreaded Federal Reserve Act of 1913. Sure, the founding fathers gave us the First Bank of the United States, which was a central bank like the Fed, but that was the works of Federalists like Hamilton operating against the wishes of Jefferson and Madison, and Madison ended it when he became President, although he revived central banking five years later with the Second Bank of the United States. Again, never mind.

    lol...and that is the central misunderstanding of Paul. Please get into an argument with Dr. Paul about the central banks and banking history all together...I would love to see how much better of an understanding of the process you have than he does...

    If you keep making over-simplified generalizations like that in your publications and you will go very far. That was serious by the way...these kinds of stances are what people like to read whether they agree or disagree. strong perspective even if it is a pretty short-sided argument...just like the masters...Hannity, O'Reilly, Limbaugh...pretty good piece and an enjoyable read even though I may not agree with you.

    as far as debate goes, it seems as though you are advocating the lesser of two evils voting argument?
    do you think it is good for people to continue to support an antiquated two party system that the majority participate in by simply voting against the other party? Don't you think that people should begin to advocate actually voting for a person that fits there political mold rather than against the one who doesn't? the `anyone but that guy` philosophy is why we remain stuck where we are...with two parallel parties pandering to the american public while they all reap the benefits from the government bastardized market place


    first, thank you (I think?). i try to write something that people will enjoy reading even if they don't agree. i also try not to oversimplify... and btw, i'm not saying that Ron Paul agrees with the founding fathers about slavery, child labor, women's rights.... but he is very laudatory over them, and I don't think they deserve that level of respect. i'm also not concerned about central banking... I think it's a necessary evil in fact. it just needs to be finessed properly, as with anything in government.

    i agree with you that our two party system is dysfunctional. unfortunately, nothing will change that between now and November. it's sad to think that nothing might ever change that in my lifetime.

    we should have a multi-party parliament, with a prime minister. i don't think we should even have a President. :)
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    mikepegg44mikepegg44 Posts: 3,353
    kenny olav wrote:
    mikepegg44 wrote:
    kenny olav wrote:

    Paleoconservatives and libertarians are the lucky ones this year. They have their hero Dr. Ron Paul to vote for. No need for another choice. It's nice to live in that world of revolutionary fantasy. They sure are happy at every rally, even when they just came in last place, again. Thoughts of what is wrong about modern America can always be defeated with thoughts of the rightness of America's founding fathers and the revolution they won. Never mind the legality of slavery, the lack of child labor laws, the lack of women's rights, etc, etc, etc. According to Ron Paul, America's dark past begins with the dreaded Federal Reserve Act of 1913. Sure, the founding fathers gave us the First Bank of the United States, which was a central bank like the Fed, but that was the works of Federalists like Hamilton operating against the wishes of Jefferson and Madison, and Madison ended it when he became President, although he revived central banking five years later with the Second Bank of the United States. Again, never mind.

    lol...and that is the central misunderstanding of Paul. Please get into an argument with Dr. Paul about the central banks and banking history all together...I would love to see how much better of an understanding of the process you have than he does...

    If you keep making over-simplified generalizations like that in your publications and you will go very far. That was serious by the way...these kinds of stances are what people like to read whether they agree or disagree. strong perspective even if it is a pretty short-sided argument...just like the masters...Hannity, O'Reilly, Limbaugh...pretty good piece and an enjoyable read even though I may not agree with you.

    as far as debate goes, it seems as though you are advocating the lesser of two evils voting argument?
    do you think it is good for people to continue to support an antiquated two party system that the majority participate in by simply voting against the other party? Don't you think that people should begin to advocate actually voting for a person that fits there political mold rather than against the one who doesn't? the `anyone but that guy` philosophy is why we remain stuck where we are...with two parallel parties pandering to the american public while they all reap the benefits from the government bastardized market place


    first, thank you (I think?). i try to write something that people will enjoy reading even if they don't agree. i also try not to oversimplify... and btw, i'm not saying that Ron Paul agrees with the founding fathers about slavery, child labor, women's rights.... but he is very laudatory over them, and I don't think they deserve that level of respect. i'm also not concerned about central banking... I think it's a necessary evil in fact. it just needs to be finessed properly, as with anything in government.

    i agree with you that our two party system is dysfunctional. unfortunately, nothing will change that between now and November. it's sad to think that nothing might ever change that in my lifetime.

    we should have a multi-party parliament, with a prime minister. i don't think we should even have a President. :)

    It was certainly a compliment...I enjoyed reading it.

    I don't think anything will ever change the two party system...People aren't interested in the work
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    RW81233RW81233 Posts: 2,393
    i kind of agree and disagree. i think there are people who are interested in doing the work to open up a more reasonable party system (perhaps we'd even find a party where libertarians like mike and lefty's like me can get together and agree on some things then implement them), but that there is FAR too much to be lost by those people in power (read: corporations) if the two party system were dismantled. those people ( :roll: ) didn't get powerful by having stupid people running them, and they have the money and power to keep things going the same because it's working for them.
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    mikepegg44mikepegg44 Posts: 3,353
    RW81233 wrote:
    i kind of agree and disagree. i think there are people who are interested in doing the work to open up a more reasonable party system (perhaps we'd even find a party where libertarians like mike and lefty's like me can get together and agree on some things then implement them), but that there is FAR too much to be lost by those people in power (read: corporations) if the two party system were dismantled. those people ( :roll: ) didn't get powerful by having stupid people running them, and they have the money and power to keep things going the same because it's working for them.


    how dare you, we can never agree...NEVER!!!! :lol:
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    kenny olavkenny olav Posts: 3,323
    I got involved in the Green Party from 2000 to 2005, basically until it became apparent to me that the party was not going to become a relevant political force any time soon, largely because it's politics are not compatible with most Americans (sadly), but if a centrist party could get elected, and had on its platform that it wants to open the doors for a multi-party system, I would vote for that party.
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