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  • Cliffy6745Cliffy6745 Posts: 26,402
    I like the course being hard, but not because the greens are a clusterfuck.   It seems like you could make every course difficult by drying out the greens.   

    I would rather there be trees, penalizing rough, water hazards, risk/reward shots.  Not greens that are shit.  Chambers Bay gets a lot of grief but greens equally as bad on this top course of all time.  Fire Mike Davis.
    These greens are nothing like chambers bay. Stop it
  • eddieceddiec Posts: 2,711
    edited June 17
    I love when the USGA sets up a brutal US Open. I've always liked the false fronts on their greens that punish a less than perfect shot. 
    While I don't like to see the players whine, they did have some reason to after that round. It's one thing to have a tough setup, it's another to have an unplayable course. It got to the point that it didn't matter if your shot was perfect or not. Guys were landing in the tiniest of sweet spots on the greens and it was rolling off the back. At times, guys who hit poor approaches and rolled off into the bunkers were in better shape than guys who hit perfect shots- fading it into the wind and landing into the slope only to see it run on. There is a fine line between tough and unplayable. They almost had it. Almost. 
    Don't get me wrong, as stated above, I love a hard Open. I want the Open to be a test to break par. But when guys can't even go at the hole for an 8 foot putt for fear of it rolling 10 feet past, it becomes farcical. 

    Edit: By the end of the day, it became more about luck than hitting good golf shots.
    Post edited by eddiec on
  • Cliffy6745Cliffy6745 Posts: 26,402
    Scrolled back and read a few and my PSU boy Cliffs differs from me...oh well.  I stand firm, the USGA is a shitshow.  Make it tough, but make it fair 
    My man. I missed the last three holes, so I can’t speak to whatever shitshow happened there, But I think there was maybe 2 shots that were good shots that got penalized. The greens held good shots just fine. They did. Shitty shots were rolling for days. Fuck these guys and their birdie fests each week. DJ hit one, ONE, 2nd shot on par 4s last year with a club longer than a 7 iron. Make it tough. These guys are soft.

    of course Stenson’s Perfect bunker shot went off the green. it was in the worst bunker on the hole with a downhill green. Never staying on. 
  • Cliffy6745Cliffy6745 Posts: 26,402
    edited June 17
    Scrolled back and read a few and my PSU boy Cliffs differs from me...oh well.  I stand firm, the USGA is a shitshow.  Make it tough, but make it fair 
    My man. I missed the last three holes, so I can’t speak to whatever shitshow happened there, But I think there was maybe 2 shots that were good shots that got penalized. The greens held good shots just fine. They did. Shitty shots were rolling for days. Fuck these guys and their birdie fests each week. DJ hit one, ONE, 2nd shot on par 4s last year with a club longer than a 7 iron. Make it tough. These guys are soft.

    of course Stenson’s Perfect bunker shot went off the green. it was in the worst bunker on the hole with a downhill green. Never staying on. 

    eddiec said:
    I love when the USGA sets up a brutal US Open. I've always liked the false fronts on their greens that punish a less than perfect shot. 
    While I don't like to see the players whine, they did have some reason to after that round. It's one thing to have a tough setup, it's another to have an unplayable course. It got to the point that it didn't matter if your shot was perfect or not. Guys were landing in the tiniest of sweet spots on the greens and it was rolling off the back. At times, guys who hit poor approaches and rolled off into the bunkers were in better shape than guys who hit perfect shots- fading it into the wind and landing into the slope only to see it run on. There is a fine line between tough and unplayable. They almost had it. Almost. 
    Don't get me wrong, as stated above, I love a hard Open. I want the Open to be a test to break par. But when guys can't even go at the hole for an 8 foot putt for fear of it rolling 10 feet past, it becomes farcical. 

    Edit: By the end of the day, it became more about luck than hitting good golf shots.
    The issue of putts going off the green after rolling by is valid. Then again, don’t hit the ball above the hole.
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  • Cliffy6745Cliffy6745 Posts: 26,402
    edited June 17
    And granted there were only the good players playing yesterday and there were two very different golf courses throughout the day, but the course played a stroke easier yesterday than it did Thursday.

    Final position is that the greens got a tad too fast but not out of control and the pin on 15 was definitely bad. Now let’s move on to today. We’re gonna get a good winner

    Final final thing. If you roll the ball back, none of this is an issue because the course doesn’t need to be defended
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  • Indifference71Indifference71 ChicagoPosts: 12,671
    Let's go Finau!  I'll win like $500 from this golf pool I'm in if he wins.  
    6/18/03, 5/17/06, 6/30/06, 8/5/07, 6/22/08, 8/23/09, 8/24/09, 5/7/10, 9/3/11, 9/4/11, 7/19/13, 11/21/13, 11/23/13, 11/24/13, 10/17/14, 10/20/14, 4/18/16, 4/20/16, 5/2/16, 5/3/16, 8/20/16, 8/22/16
  • Cliffy6745Cliffy6745 Posts: 26,402
    Overcorrected. This is way too easy. Dj’s approach on 1 should have been punished more 
  • WobbieWobbie Posts: 23,895
    patrick reed en fuego.
    If I had known then what I know now...

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    VIC 07
    EV LA1 08
    Seattle1 09, Seattle2 09, Salt Lake 09, LA4 09
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    Vancouver 11
    Missoula 12
    Portland 13, Spokane 13
    St. Paul 14, Denver 14
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  • Cliffy6745Cliffy6745 Posts: 26,402
    Wobbie said:
    patrick reed en fuego.
    Ugh
  • WobbieWobbie Posts: 23,895
    Wobbie said:
    patrick reed en fuego.
    Ugh

    hey, whatever, this is gonna be a dogfight.
    If I had known then what I know now...

    Vegas 93, Vegas 98, Vegas 00 (10 year show), Vegas 03, Vegas 06
    VIC 07
    EV LA1 08
    Seattle1 09, Seattle2 09, Salt Lake 09, LA4 09
    Columbus 10
    EV LA 11
    Vancouver 11
    Missoula 12
    Portland 13, Spokane 13
    St. Paul 14, Denver 14
    Philly I & II, 16
  • Cliffy6745Cliffy6745 Posts: 26,402
    Wobbie said:
    Wobbie said:
    patrick reed en fuego.
    Ugh

    hey, whatever, this is gonna be a dogfight.
    A shootout more like it because the USGA pussed out
  • WobbieWobbie Posts: 23,895
    Wobbie said:
    Wobbie said:
    patrick reed en fuego.
    Ugh

    hey, whatever, this is gonna be a dogfight.
    A shootout more like it because the USGA pussed out

    kinda crazy. maybe the wind will un-puss the course a bit.
    If I had known then what I know now...

    Vegas 93, Vegas 98, Vegas 00 (10 year show), Vegas 03, Vegas 06
    VIC 07
    EV LA1 08
    Seattle1 09, Seattle2 09, Salt Lake 09, LA4 09
    Columbus 10
    EV LA 11
    Vancouver 11
    Missoula 12
    Portland 13, Spokane 13
    St. Paul 14, Denver 14
    Philly I & II, 16
  • Cliffy6745Cliffy6745 Posts: 26,402
    Wobbie said:
    Wobbie said:
    Wobbie said:
    patrick reed en fuego.
    Ugh

    hey, whatever, this is gonna be a dogfight.
    A shootout more like it because the USGA pussed out

    kinda crazy. maybe the wind will un-puss the course a bit.
    Hope so. These pins are a fucking joke
  • WobbieWobbie Posts: 23,895
    homeboy not looking ready for this.
    If I had known then what I know now...

    Vegas 93, Vegas 98, Vegas 00 (10 year show), Vegas 03, Vegas 06
    VIC 07
    EV LA1 08
    Seattle1 09, Seattle2 09, Salt Lake 09, LA4 09
    Columbus 10
    EV LA 11
    Vancouver 11
    Missoula 12
    Portland 13, Spokane 13
    St. Paul 14, Denver 14
    Philly I & II, 16
  • Cliffy6745Cliffy6745 Posts: 26,402
    edited June 17
    Wobbie said:
    homeboy not looking ready for this.
    Finau? I would love to see him win
  • Cliffy6745Cliffy6745 Posts: 26,402
    Also 100% down with brooks repeating. He liked the hard conditions yesterday.
  • Cliffy6745Cliffy6745 Posts: 26,402
    Thank fucking god he missed that. 
  • WobbieWobbie Posts: 23,895
    edited June 17
    Thank fucking god he missed that. 

    I stepped away. you gotta be talking about reed. :lol:

    for whatever reason, koepka is about my last choice to win this.

    maybe fleetwood sneaks in? I doubt it. needed that last putt.
    If I had known then what I know now...

    Vegas 93, Vegas 98, Vegas 00 (10 year show), Vegas 03, Vegas 06
    VIC 07
    EV LA1 08
    Seattle1 09, Seattle2 09, Salt Lake 09, LA4 09
    Columbus 10
    EV LA 11
    Vancouver 11
    Missoula 12
    Portland 13, Spokane 13
    St. Paul 14, Denver 14
    Philly I & II, 16
  • Cliffy6745Cliffy6745 Posts: 26,402
    Wobbie said:
    Thank fucking god he missed that. 

    I stepped away. you gotta be talking about reed. :lol:

    for whatever reason, koepka is about my last choice to win this.

    maybe fleetwood sneaks in? I doubt it. needed that last putt.
    Fleetwood. Didn’t want him setting the us open record with these pins today. But yeah, it applies to any Reed miss too.
  • WobbieWobbie Posts: 23,895
    not sure this thing is gonna produce any drama. DJ can’t buy a putt.
    If I had known then what I know now...

    Vegas 93, Vegas 98, Vegas 00 (10 year show), Vegas 03, Vegas 06
    VIC 07
    EV LA1 08
    Seattle1 09, Seattle2 09, Salt Lake 09, LA4 09
    Columbus 10
    EV LA 11
    Vancouver 11
    Missoula 12
    Portland 13, Spokane 13
    St. Paul 14, Denver 14
    Philly I & II, 16
  • WobbieWobbie Posts: 23,895
    Wobbie said:
    Thank fucking god he missed that. 

    I stepped away. you gotta be talking about reed. :lol:

    for whatever reason, koepka is about my last choice to win this.

    maybe fleetwood sneaks in? I doubt it. needed that last putt.
    Fleetwood. Didn’t want him setting the us open record with these pins today.

    but then you could have quit having to hear about johnny miller :confounded:
    If I had known then what I know now...

    Vegas 93, Vegas 98, Vegas 00 (10 year show), Vegas 03, Vegas 06
    VIC 07
    EV LA1 08
    Seattle1 09, Seattle2 09, Salt Lake 09, LA4 09
    Columbus 10
    EV LA 11
    Vancouver 11
    Missoula 12
    Portland 13, Spokane 13
    St. Paul 14, Denver 14
    Philly I & II, 16
  • WobbieWobbie Posts: 23,895
    Koepka’s gonna deserve this.
    If I had known then what I know now...

    Vegas 93, Vegas 98, Vegas 00 (10 year show), Vegas 03, Vegas 06
    VIC 07
    EV LA1 08
    Seattle1 09, Seattle2 09, Salt Lake 09, LA4 09
    Columbus 10
    EV LA 11
    Vancouver 11
    Missoula 12
    Portland 13, Spokane 13
    St. Paul 14, Denver 14
    Philly I & II, 16
  • sk8nshoot1sk8nshoot1 Posts: 722
    DJ falling apart early.  I have money on Fleetwood so I hope he catches him.
    Caught DJ but not Koepka...  Fleetwood second with a rush...
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  • WobbieWobbie Posts: 23,895
    crazy that koepka has 4 PGA wins and 2 are US Opens.
    If I had known then what I know now...

    Vegas 93, Vegas 98, Vegas 00 (10 year show), Vegas 03, Vegas 06
    VIC 07
    EV LA1 08
    Seattle1 09, Seattle2 09, Salt Lake 09, LA4 09
    Columbus 10
    EV LA 11
    Vancouver 11
    Missoula 12
    Portland 13, Spokane 13
    St. Paul 14, Denver 14
    Philly I & II, 16
  • Cliffy6745Cliffy6745 Posts: 26,402
    That’s a big boy win. Dude is giddy 
  • eddieceddiec Posts: 2,711
    Wobbie said:
    crazy that koepka has 4 PGA wins and 2 are US Opens.
    John Daly style.
  • bootlegger10bootlegger10 Posts: 10,583
    edited June 18

    Land in Scotland in two weeks!  I was planning on canceling that part of the trip but American Airlines has told me that would cost $3,000, so I am not canceling.  I have booked no hotels or courses as I was planning to cancel.  I believe my only shot at the Old Course will be an early, early arrival and hoping to be placed in a group.  I don't want to waste time though and not play since I'll only be there 3.5 days.  I'll be in St. Andrews though so it can't be all bad.  I love it that sunrise is 4:24am and sunset is 10:00pm though!   I'll be by myself so I figure it may be easier to get paired up with a twosome or threesome.



  • eddieceddiec Posts: 2,711

    Land in Scotland in two weeks!  I was planning on canceling that part of the trip but American Airlines has told me that would cost $3,000, so I am not canceling.  I have booked no hotels or courses as I was planning to cancel.  I believe my only shot at the Old Course will be an early, early arrival and hoping to be placed in a group.  I don't want to waste time though and not play since I'll only be there 3.5 days.  I'll be in St. Andrews though so it can't be all bad.  I love it that sunrise is 4:24am and sunset is 10:00pm though!   I'll be by myself so I figure it may be easier to get paired up with a twosome or threesome.



    Sweet. Hope you get out on the Old Course.
    Dress warm. 
  • bootlegger10bootlegger10 Posts: 10,583

    I bought some rain gear but probably not good enough.  Makes it tough to pack when going from 80's to 50's.

  • Cliffy6745Cliffy6745 Posts: 26,402

    Land in Scotland in two weeks!  I was planning on canceling that part of the trip but American Airlines has told me that would cost $3,000, so I am not canceling.  I have booked no hotels or courses as I was planning to cancel.  I believe my only shot at the Old Course will be an early, early arrival and hoping to be placed in a group.  I don't want to waste time though and not play since I'll only be there 3.5 days.  I'll be in St. Andrews though so it can't be all bad.  I love it that sunrise is 4:24am and sunset is 10:00pm though!   I'll be by myself so I figure it may be easier to get paired up with a twosome or threesome.



    That's sweet.  The Old Course is definitely a bucket list for me, but from what I understand it won't be one of the more enjoyable rounds from a purely golf round standpoint.  It takes a couple times playing to "get it", apparently.

    That said, have read a good amount on golf over there and the local muni tracks are some of the most fun courses to play.  That said, tons of options from anything on the British Rota, to mid level courses to munis.  There are a number of sites dedicated to tourists playing golf in Scotland or Ireland, so check them out when you book.
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