Nothin for nothin, but... if I was Eddie I would have had the guy with the t-shirt escorted the f-out of the building.
Kind of a dick move to show up to a show with a shirt like that.
And what a nerd for going through the trouble to make a t-shirt like that in the first place.. Eddie was probably thinking, my god another one of those..
Umm all you do is go to a printing company and say i want DO NOT PLAY EVEN FLOW in white font, dont see how it is 'nerdy' and it doesn't take much effort.... at least its funny and original, better seeing that then stickmen everywhere..
Seriously, guys... how many of you really think he was like "I'm gonna make this shirt and wear it and they better listen, b/c I hate that song and they shouldn't play it!"
To me, that just screams "Haha look at the funny joke I made" poking a little fun at the fact that the song is played at almost every show. It was a joke. An adult joke. For us. Adults.
Lighten up, girls.
Like someone else said, if he was in the 2nd row, he won the lottery, and hadn't planned on being anywhere near the field of view of the band when he threw the shirt on to come to the show.
There was a guy that got a little picked on for a "NO EVEN FLOW" t-shirt at Chicago II. But he does have a point?
Corduory was played at all three shows as the second song
Even Flow (while great) was also played three times
Alive, three times.
Yellowledbetter in Chicago 1 & 2 with Star Spangled Banner both nights as the closer.
These are great songs without a doubt but could the continuous play be killing them?
everyone on this board needs to realize that the people who get excited when they hear the opening notes to Present Tense only make up a small portion of the audience. I don't mind hearing Even Flow, Corduroy, Alive or any other of the hits because I know there are people around me paying the same price I did (actually more) who want to hear those songs. The band can't play a bunch of obscure tracks all the time, they have to play the hits.
I look at it like this: If I shelled out the money to see the Rolling Stones, I would want to hear all the hits. I want Gimmie Shelter, I want Symphony, I want Jumpin Jack. Now, there will be guys there who HATE hearing those songs, and want to hear Keith Richards sing obscure tracks, but I don't want to hear that shit. If they play some hits I can deal with it, same goes for the guy who can put up with some hits to hear some odd ball songs.
Same should go for Pearl Jam. Everyone needs to jump off the high horse and realize that we are NOT the majority and that we are lucky enough to get a bone thrown our way every now and again. The band could be like some bands and play the same songs over and over on a tour.
There was a guy that got a little picked on for a "NO EVEN FLOW" t-shirt at Chicago II. But he does have a point?
Corduory was played at all three shows as the second song
Even Flow (while great) was also played three times
Alive, three times.
Yellowledbetter in Chicago 1 & 2 with Star Spangled Banner both nights as the closer.
These are great songs without a doubt but could the continuous play be killing them?
Never!
Corduroy is my all-time fave song to hear live and I would be disappointed if they don't play it at a show I'm at (hasn't happened yet). it ALWAYS rocks . . .
I was "anti-E-Flow" for a couple of years, but seeing as I only see them every few years, I don't care when they play it. I actually really enjoy it now. It always rocks too. Plus, when I'm actually AT a show, I am rarely disappointed at any song they play . . . just being there is enough
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Same should go for Pearl Jam. Everyone needs to jump off the high horse and realize that we are NOT the majority and that we are lucky enough to get a bone thrown our way every now and again. The band could be like some bands and play the same songs over and over on a tour.
Well put.
We're lucky enough to love a band that VARIES THEIR SETLIST at EVERY show . . . go check out some others bands'/acts tours. They play THE EXACT SAME SET EVERY NIGHT.
The hits I can handle . . . they HAVE to play them, b/c as thunderDAN said, not everyone there is a hardcore fan who knows all the b-sides inside and out . . .
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In my opinion, whoever made that t shirt was pretty rude. It's funny only to PJ nerds like ourselves in the context of, say, this forum, but at a show...
It's funny because when Even Flow/Alive et al come on, that's the biggest reaction you'll hear from the crowd all night and the most participation. Why on earth stop playing them?
Again, it's just that 'true fan' syndrome. Being the biggest, oldest, most knowledgeable, rarity loving, checklisting, 'I-might-as-well-be-Eddie's-best-mate', kind of fan makes people think they are so important.
In my opinion, whoever made that t shirt was pretty rude. It's funny only to PJ nerds like ourselves in the context of, say, this forum, but at a show...
It's funny because when Even Flow/Alive et al come on, that's the biggest reaction you'll hear from the crowd all night and the most participation. Why on earth stop playing them?
Again, it's just that 'true fan' syndrome. Being the biggest, oldest, most knowledgeable, rarity loving, checklisting, 'I-might-as-well-be-Eddie's-best-mate', kind of fan makes people think they are so important.
the mass exodus of the crowd actually came in night 1 during Come Back, and night 2 during Present Tense....I like both of those songs alot, but I can see why casual fans would leave to go piss. Even Flow is a good chance for hard core fans to take a piss or grab a beer. Look at the bright side
I'm just happy they played Dissedent when they did during night 1. I was all out of gin and tonic, and needed to pee really bad....that is my ultimate take a piss song. Everyone has theirs.
In the mid-90s I went to Santana concert. This was before his big comeback with Rob Thomas, DM, etc... Anyway, he didn't play Evil Ways, Oye Coma Va, Black Magic Woman, or any of his big early hits. It was incredibly lame and borderline offensive to those of who had paid to see the band. People were PISSED. Now, I understand that Santana likely doesn't have a contingent of obsessives who travel around hoping to hear nothing but b-sides and deep cuts, but at around 20,000 people per PJ show, most are just rock fans seeing one of rock's all-time great rock bands, and it would be completely disrespectful of the band not to play their biggest hits. In my opinion, it's weird to begrudge the band or the fans the enjoyment of the songs that likely got us all into them in the first place.
I'll listen to and enjoy whatever they play, but just to show the diversity of the songs played at the 5 shows I've been lucky enough to be at here are the stats:
132 total songs played
86 different songs
Only 3 songs played at all 5 shows
Alive
Elderly Woman
Evenflow
I'd say that isn't too bad
10/02/04 - Toledo, OH
09/12/05 - London, ON
05/19/06 - Grand Rapids, MI
06/27/08 - Hartford, CT; 06/28/08 - Mansfield, MA 08/21/08 - Chicago, IL (EV); 08/22/08 - Chicago, IL (EV) 10/07/09 - Los Angeles, CA; 10/09/09 - San Diego, CA 05/06/10 - Columbus, OH; 05/07/10 - Noblesville, IN 06/26/11 - Detroit, MI (EV) 10/12/13 - Buffalo, NY 10/16/14 - Detroit, MI 08/20/16 - Chicago, IL; 08/22/16 - Chicago, IL 08/13/18 - Missoula, MT
There was a guy that got a little picked on for a "NO EVEN FLOW" t-shirt at Chicago II. But he does have a point?
Corduory was played at all three shows as the second song
Even Flow (while great) was also played three times
Alive, three times.
Yellowledbetter in Chicago 1 & 2 with Star Spangled Banner both nights as the closer.
These are great songs without a doubt but could the continuous play be killing them?
PLAY fucking Evenflow. WTF? Why are people bummed to hear freaking evenflow. Its wonderful too.
I'm with Ed... People respond better to requests than demands. That shirt is whack!
I have to say that the guy with the shirt in particular seemed to be doing it to get some attention...and possibly being ironic. My wife and I were seated directly next to him. Even before Ed saw him and laughed (which happened after 20 or so seconds into the song) the guy was definitely rocking out and enjoying it. He got a kick out of having the bit of communication with the band. Who wouldn't? Ed and the guy exchanged sarcastic middle finger waving a couple times and they both had big smiles. The real insults come from the "fans" that truly appear bummed out by any of PJ setlist choices.....when that happens en masse, that really brings the entire crowd down. The beauty of being a fan of Pearl Jam is that you can attend dozens of shows and still be pleasantly surprised by a setlist while, at the same time, get to hear the hits that can really get a crowd going.
I'll listen to and enjoy whatever they play, but just to show the diversity of the songs played at the 5 shows I've been lucky enough to be at here are the stats:
132 total songs played
86 different songs
Only 3 songs played at all 5 shows
Alive
Elderly Woman
Evenflow
I'd say that isn't too bad
they didn't play Elderly Woman Chicago 2 from what I can remember
I'll listen to and enjoy whatever they play, but just to show the diversity of the songs played at the 5 shows I've been lucky enough to be at here are the stats:
132 total songs played
86 different songs
Only 3 songs played at all 5 shows
Alive
Elderly Woman
Evenflow
I'd say that isn't too bad
they didn't play Elderly Woman Chicago 2 from what I can remember
The five shows I refer to does not include Chicago II as I was not lucky enough to be in attendance. This was just a summary of the shows that I've been able to make it to.
10/02/04 - Toledo, OH
09/12/05 - London, ON
05/19/06 - Grand Rapids, MI
06/27/08 - Hartford, CT; 06/28/08 - Mansfield, MA 08/21/08 - Chicago, IL (EV); 08/22/08 - Chicago, IL (EV) 10/07/09 - Los Angeles, CA; 10/09/09 - San Diego, CA 05/06/10 - Columbus, OH; 05/07/10 - Noblesville, IN 06/26/11 - Detroit, MI (EV) 10/12/13 - Buffalo, NY 10/16/14 - Detroit, MI 08/20/16 - Chicago, IL; 08/22/16 - Chicago, IL 08/13/18 - Missoula, MT
while they might play the same songs, nights in a row. . it doesn't matter to me. i never get tired of seeing/hearing pearl jam play live. of course songs like even flow, alive, etc.. will be played at most shows; it's what got the band going. it should be expected. and like previously mentioned many people are not fortunate enough to go to multiple shows. and these songs that are being played over and over, are also ones that the radio still blows up to this day, almost twenty years later. amazing!
I'll listen to and enjoy whatever they play, but just to show the diversity of the songs played at the 5 shows I've been lucky enough to be at here are the stats:
132 total songs played
86 different songs
Only 3 songs played at all 5 shows
Alive
Elderly Woman
Evenflow
I'd say that isn't too bad
they didn't play Elderly Woman Chicago 2 from what I can remember
The five shows I refer to does not include Chicago II as I was not lucky enough to be in attendance. This was just a summary of the shows that I've been able to make it to.
oh I didn't catch what your stats were referring to. sorry
“There is always some kid who may be seeing me for the first or last time, I owe him my best.”
- Joe DiMaggio
Not everyone is fortunate enough to see multiple shows, there are actually going to be people in the crowd every single night that have never seen Pearl Jam live or have never seen the songs you mention.
If you are tired of them, don't go.
Great quote
For the first time this year, I only saw them once. Not only was I disappointed I heard Corduroy, but I would have been disappointed had they NOT played. It is still one of my favorite songs to listen to, live or recorded.
... and the will to show I will always be better than before.
“There is always some kid who may be seeing me for the first or last time, I owe him my best.”
- Joe DiMaggio
Not everyone is fortunate enough to see multiple shows, there are actually going to be people in the crowd every single night that have never seen Pearl Jam live or have never seen the songs you mention.
If you are tired of them, don't go.
Takin' my wife to her first show. She loved Eddie solo, but as we know that's a very different show. I'd love to hear all the rare stuff (Strangest Tribe!!), but I'm glad the boys will do their staples so she can enjoy too.
Boston II 94 Boston II 06 Mansfield I 08 Mansfield II 08 Seattle I 09 Seattle II 09
Hartford 10 Boston 10 Wrigley 13 Worcester I 13 Worcester II 13 Hartford 13
NYC I 16 NYC II 16 Fenway I 16 Fenway II 16 Fenway 1 18 Fenway II 18
E.V. Boston II 08 E.V. Albany II 09 E.V. Providence 11, E.V. Boston 11
Troubled Souls Unite
In some weird way, I'm thankful for the repeats. I loved looking at the 2008 show setlists, and had I been in a financial situation to do so, I would have seen as many of the shows as I could. This is a very moderating thing for me.. I saw Toronto, and both Chicago shows - the most I've ever seen on one tour. I know now that it's the most I will ever attempt to see on one tour as well. I'd just like to say, as an aside, that sometimes it's not about how many repeats there are, but how many identical repeats there are. Every Even Flow I've seen (with the exception of that one MSG version which I can't remember which night it was and Toronto this year) seems almost choreographed in its delivery, and it doesn't inspire me. If every Even Flow were different - I'd be more than happy to see it all the time. Since there are, however, so many repeats that are often so similar, and I know it's the variety I seek, I'm more than happy to see two or three shows per tour from here on in and leave it at that. I've read through this thread, and agree with the points about appealing to their less 'intense' fans, but more and more I'm thinking this isn't what I'm looking for. As someone mentioned - there's always Phish around for variety.. maybe I'll go see a bunch of their shows next time I can as well!
'05 - TO, '06 - TO 1, '08 - NYC 1 & 2, '09 - TO, Chi 1 & 2, '10 - Buffalo, NYC 1 & 2, '11 - TO 1 & 2, Hamilton, '13 - Buffalo, Brooklyn 1 & 2, '15 - Global Citizen, '16 - TO 1 & 2, Chi 2
EV
Toronto Film Festival 9/11/2007, '08 - Toronto 1 & 2, '09 - Albany 1, '11 - Chicago 1
Have to disagree on Alive and Evenflow,but agree on Yellow Ledbetter they should have switched it up at the end instead of the Star Spangled Banner two nights in a row!!
I’m not really a fan of Evenflow (never have been - gasp!) but I much prefer hearing it live than having it pop up on my iPod. When they played California in 2000, I happened to be there for work and went to the San Diego show with one friend and the San Bernadino show with another. Both were fans, but not nearly as avid as I am. At each show, when Evenflow started up, each one of them rocked out harder and sang louder than they had for any of the other songs while shouting “oh man, I LOVE this song!”. And every single time I’m at a show when they play it, I think of the two of them and can still remember their big smiles and how happy hearing it live made them.
“I worked really hard on this set. I just told you we’re gonna have a great night, so I don’t need any fuckin’ help from anybody.” EV, 7/2/09
I have to say that the guy with the shirt in particular seemed to be doing it to get some attention...and possibly being ironic. My wife and I were seated directly next to him. Even before Ed saw him and laughed (which happened after 20 or so seconds into the song) the guy was definitely rocking out and enjoying it. He got a kick out of having the bit of communication with the band. Who wouldn't? Ed and the guy exchanged sarcastic middle finger waving a couple times and they both had big smiles. The real insults come from the "fans" that truly appear bummed out by any of PJ setlist choices.....when that happens en masse, that really brings the entire crowd down. The beauty of being a fan of Pearl Jam is that you can attend dozens of shows and still be pleasantly surprised by a setlist while, at the same time, get to hear the hits that can really get a crowd going.
This is hilarious, I love it!!!!!
And I agree with your point too.
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Sheesh, you ever think maybe the band wants to play it? It is probably the most fun Mike gets on some nights cause he get just rip on on the solo.
Having shirts or signs for requests is cool and fun.....doing the same to oppose the a particular song is selfish and kind of toolish.
To me, that just screams "Haha look at the funny joke I made" poking a little fun at the fact that the song is played at almost every show. It was a joke. An adult joke. For us. Adults.
Lighten up, girls.
Like someone else said, if he was in the 2nd row, he won the lottery, and hadn't planned on being anywhere near the field of view of the band when he threw the shirt on to come to the show.
everyone on this board needs to realize that the people who get excited when they hear the opening notes to Present Tense only make up a small portion of the audience. I don't mind hearing Even Flow, Corduroy, Alive or any other of the hits because I know there are people around me paying the same price I did (actually more) who want to hear those songs. The band can't play a bunch of obscure tracks all the time, they have to play the hits.
I look at it like this: If I shelled out the money to see the Rolling Stones, I would want to hear all the hits. I want Gimmie Shelter, I want Symphony, I want Jumpin Jack. Now, there will be guys there who HATE hearing those songs, and want to hear Keith Richards sing obscure tracks, but I don't want to hear that shit. If they play some hits I can deal with it, same goes for the guy who can put up with some hits to hear some odd ball songs.
Same should go for Pearl Jam. Everyone needs to jump off the high horse and realize that we are NOT the majority and that we are lucky enough to get a bone thrown our way every now and again. The band could be like some bands and play the same songs over and over on a tour.
Never!
Corduroy is my all-time fave song to hear live and I would be disappointed if they don't play it at a show I'm at (hasn't happened yet). it ALWAYS rocks . . .
I was "anti-E-Flow" for a couple of years, but seeing as I only see them every few years, I don't care when they play it. I actually really enjoy it now. It always rocks too. Plus, when I'm actually AT a show, I am rarely disappointed at any song they play . . . just being there is enough
Montreal 10/04/00
Toronto 10/05/00
Toronto 06/28/03
Kitchener 09/11/05
Ottawa 09/16/05
Toronto 08/21/09
Toronto 09/11/11
Ottawa 09/14/11
Buffalo 10/12/13
Ottawa 05/08/16
Chicago 08/20/18
Ottawa 09/03/22
Nashville 09/16/22
Well put.
We're lucky enough to love a band that VARIES THEIR SETLIST at EVERY show . . . go check out some others bands'/acts tours. They play THE EXACT SAME SET EVERY NIGHT.
The hits I can handle . . . they HAVE to play them, b/c as thunderDAN said, not everyone there is a hardcore fan who knows all the b-sides inside and out . . .
Montreal 10/04/00
Toronto 10/05/00
Toronto 06/28/03
Kitchener 09/11/05
Ottawa 09/16/05
Toronto 08/21/09
Toronto 09/11/11
Ottawa 09/14/11
Buffalo 10/12/13
Ottawa 05/08/16
Chicago 08/20/18
Ottawa 09/03/22
Nashville 09/16/22
"Holy shit, they played Even Flow at three straight shows" ain't exactly a novel observation, Chief.
for the least they could possibly do
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It's funny because when Even Flow/Alive et al come on, that's the biggest reaction you'll hear from the crowd all night and the most participation. Why on earth stop playing them?
Again, it's just that 'true fan' syndrome. Being the biggest, oldest, most knowledgeable, rarity loving, checklisting, 'I-might-as-well-be-Eddie's-best-mate', kind of fan makes people think they are so important.
the mass exodus of the crowd actually came in night 1 during Come Back, and night 2 during Present Tense....I like both of those songs alot, but I can see why casual fans would leave to go piss. Even Flow is a good chance for hard core fans to take a piss or grab a beer. Look at the bright side
I'm just happy they played Dissedent when they did during night 1. I was all out of gin and tonic, and needed to pee really bad....that is my ultimate take a piss song. Everyone has theirs.
Not I.
for the least they could possibly do
132 total songs played
86 different songs
Only 3 songs played at all 5 shows
Alive
Elderly Woman
Evenflow
I'd say that isn't too bad
09/12/05 - London, ON
05/19/06 - Grand Rapids, MI
06/27/08 - Hartford, CT; 06/28/08 - Mansfield, MA
08/21/08 - Chicago, IL (EV); 08/22/08 - Chicago, IL (EV)
10/07/09 - Los Angeles, CA; 10/09/09 - San Diego, CA
05/06/10 - Columbus, OH; 05/07/10 - Noblesville, IN
06/26/11 - Detroit, MI (EV)
10/12/13 - Buffalo, NY
10/16/14 - Detroit, MI
08/20/16 - Chicago, IL; 08/22/16 - Chicago, IL
08/13/18 - Missoula, MT
PLAY fucking Evenflow. WTF? Why are people bummed to hear freaking evenflow. Its wonderful too.
I'm with Ed... People respond better to requests than demands. That shirt is whack!
The five shows I refer to does not include Chicago II as I was not lucky enough to be in attendance. This was just a summary of the shows that I've been able to make it to.
09/12/05 - London, ON
05/19/06 - Grand Rapids, MI
06/27/08 - Hartford, CT; 06/28/08 - Mansfield, MA
08/21/08 - Chicago, IL (EV); 08/22/08 - Chicago, IL (EV)
10/07/09 - Los Angeles, CA; 10/09/09 - San Diego, CA
05/06/10 - Columbus, OH; 05/07/10 - Noblesville, IN
06/26/11 - Detroit, MI (EV)
10/12/13 - Buffalo, NY
10/16/14 - Detroit, MI
08/20/16 - Chicago, IL; 08/22/16 - Chicago, IL
08/13/18 - Missoula, MT
oh I didn't catch what your stats were referring to. sorry
Great quote
For the first time this year, I only saw them once. Not only was I disappointed I heard Corduroy, but I would have been disappointed had they NOT played. It is still one of my favorite songs to listen to, live or recorded.
Takin' my wife to her first show. She loved Eddie solo, but as we know that's a very different show. I'd love to hear all the rare stuff (Strangest Tribe!!), but I'm glad the boys will do their staples so she can enjoy too.
Hartford 10 Boston 10 Wrigley 13 Worcester I 13 Worcester II 13 Hartford 13
NYC I 16 NYC II 16 Fenway I 16 Fenway II 16 Fenway 1 18 Fenway II 18
E.V. Boston II 08 E.V. Albany II 09 E.V. Providence 11, E.V. Boston 11
Troubled Souls Unite
EV
Toronto Film Festival 9/11/2007, '08 - Toronto 1 & 2, '09 - Albany 1, '11 - Chicago 1
This is hilarious, I love it!!!!!
And I agree with your point too.
yeah...eddie flipped him the bird after even flow was played...of course he was half kidding...